Radioactive timebomb in Russian nuclear dump that could threaten Europe?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on concerns regarding the storage of discarded uranium fuel rods in a Russian nuclear dump and the potential environmental and health risks associated with their corrosion. Participants explore the implications of a possible radioactive leak and the historical context of the Chernobyl disaster, questioning the accuracy of reported figures and the sensationalism of media coverage.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express concern over the potential for a catastrophic event due to corroding uranium fuel rods, referencing a 2007 article that suggests a risk comparable to the Chernobyl disaster.
  • Others argue that an explosion is unlikely, pointing out that the article mentions a hydrogen explosion, which would require specific conditions that may not be met.
  • There are claims regarding the scientific consensus on the death toll from the Chernobyl disaster, with some participants challenging the figures reported in various sources and suggesting that they may be exaggerated.
  • Some participants highlight the environmental implications of a radionuclide leak, suggesting it would create an uninhabitable area similar to Chernobyl.
  • Several posts introduce skepticism towards the media's portrayal of the situation, with comments on the reliability of the source and the framing of the narrative.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the potential risks posed by the nuclear dump or the accuracy of the reported death toll from Chernobyl. Multiple competing views remain regarding the interpretation of the risks and the reliability of the sources cited.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the reliance on a single article for information, the varying interpretations of scientific consensus, and the potential for sensationalism in media reporting. The discussion reflects differing perspectives on the implications of the situation without resolving the underlying uncertainties.

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I just read the following article, from 2007:

20,000 discarded uranium fuel rods stored in the Arctic Circle are corroding. The possible result? Detonation of a massive radioactive bomb experts say could rival the 1986 Chernobyl disaster.

Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...-threatens-europe-14465525.html#ixzz0l1Oedn5S

I find that pretty worrying, but oddly enough, there is hardly any other information to be found on this subject. The only other articles I can find link back to this one, so I wonder, is this just sensationalist reporting or is there some truth to this?
 
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It can't explode (the article admits this after the headline), the are talking about a hydrogen explosion, from metal which is corroded enough to allow seawater in but is apparently strong enough to allow massive amounts of high pressure hydrogen and oxygen to form.

The environmental effects, which most the article are about, are the exact opposite - a leak of radionuclides would create a massive environmental reserve where nobody wanted to hunt or fish - just like Chernobyl.
 
Also, I'm pretty sure the scientific consensus does not include the conclusion that Chernobyl killed 100,000 people.
The 2005 report prepared by the Chernobyl Forum, led by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) and World Health Organization (WHO), attributed "fewer than 50" direct deaths (including nine children with thyroid cancer) and estimated that there may be 4,000 additional cancer deaths over time among the approximately 600,000 most highly exposed people.[1][5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster

The relecs of the old Soviet Union really are an environmental disaster and need to be dealt with, but we should keep the risk in perspective.
 
russ_watters said:
Also, I'm pretty sure the scientific consensus does not include the conclusion that Chernobyl killed 100,000 people
These sort of figures are always suspect, they are extending an outdoors smoking ban here to include beaches and wilderness - the justification is the claim passive smoking is the second biggest killer. The reasoning being that all cancers in non-smokers must be due to second-hand smoke!
 
In other news; Russians are evil, and Al Gore has claimed he invented the toaster oven.
 
In Soviet Russia, nuclear bomb explodes you.
 
One word: Telegraph.
 
The hundreds of thousands deaths in Chernobyl meme (and variations) came from taking the total number of deaths in Kiev Oblast for some number of years after the disaster and attributing all of it to Chernobyl.