Radius of Convergence: Complex Series Need Not Be Defined Everywhere

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The discussion revolves around the concept of the radius of convergence for complex series, particularly focusing on the behavior of the logarithmic function and its series representation near branch cuts. Participants explore the implications of singularities and branch cuts on the convergence of series.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a complex series need not be defined for all points within its radius of convergence, citing the example of the Taylor series for Ln z centered at z0=-1 + i, which has a radius of convergence of 20.5 despite singularities on the negative real axis.
  • Others argue that the logarithm's behavior on the negative real axis is due to a branch cut rather than a pole, suggesting that series expansions are defined but do not reflect the discontinuity across the cut.
  • A later reply questions the understanding of branch cuts, stating they are arbitrary and can be placed to isolate a single-valued component of a multi-valued function, asserting that Log is defined and analytic everywhere except at the origin.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the implications of these concepts and seeks clarification on the relationship between the derivative of Ln z and its series representation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of branch cuts and their impact on the convergence of series. There is no consensus on the implications of these concepts, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the relationship between the series and the behavior of the logarithmic function.

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Limitations include the dependence on definitions of convergence and branch cuts, as well as unresolved questions about the nature of singularities and their effect on series representation.

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A complex series need not be defined for all z within the "circle of convergence"?

The (complex) radius of convergence represents the radius of the circle (centered at the center of the series) in which a complex series converges.

Also, a theorem states that a (termwise) differentiated series has the same radius of convergence as the original series.

Now, Ln z is obviously singular (at least) at the negative real axis which is a distance 1 away from the z0=-1 + i. But the Taylor series of Ln z centered at z0=-1 + i has a radius of convergence equal to 20.5. Thus, the derivative of Ln z is not defined on negative real axis, but according to the theorem it has radius of convergence R=20.5.

This implies that a series need not be defined everywhere a distance less than R from the center of the series.

However, the definition of convergence of a complex series is that that the limit of the partial sums converge to some finite value.

How can this contradiction be eliminated?

My own thoughts about this is that this contradiction would not rise from the above definitions and theorems if the derivative of Ln z does not equal the termwise differentiated complex series representation of Ln z. If this is the case, then why?

Thanks
//Freddy
 
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The trouble logarithms have on the (by convention) negative real axis (apart from the origin) is not a pole, but a branch cut. The series expansions are perfectly well defined, but they will not reflect any branch cuts. For example a series centered at z0=-1 + i defines a function inside a circle of radius sqrt(2) centered at -1 + i but this function only agrees with the usual logarithm (having a branch cut on the negative real axis) up to the branch cut. The series will not have the discontinuity across the cut.
log(-1+0+i)-log(-1+0-i)=2 π i
while
f(-1+0+i)-f(-1+0-i)=0
If f is the series you describe
 
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freddyfish said:
The (complex) radius of convergence represents the radius of the circle (centered at the center of the series) in which a complex series converges.

Also, a theorem states that a (termwise) differentiated series has the same radius of convergence as the original series.

Now, Ln z is obviously singular (at least) at the negative real axis which is a distance 1 away from the z0=-1 + i. But the Taylor series of Ln z centered at z0=-1 + i has a radius of convergence equal to 20.5. Thus, the derivative of Ln z is not defined on negative real axis, but according to the theorem it has radius of convergence R=20.5.

This implies that a series need not be defined everywhere a distance less than R from the center of the series.

However, the definition of convergence of a complex series is that that the limit of the partial sums converge to some finite value.

How can this contradiction be eliminated?

My own thoughts about this is that this contradiction would not rise from the above definitions and theorems if the derivative of Ln z does not equal the termwise differentiated complex series representation of Ln z. If this is the case, then why?

Thanks
//Freddy

You have a mis-understanding of branch-cuts. They're purely arbitrary and can be placed anywhere to isolate a single-valued component of a multi-valued function. That branch-cut along the negative real axis for the log function is just an arbritrary line of demarcation to isolate a convenient single-valued part of it. But Log is perfectally defined, continuous, and analytic there and in fact everywhere except the origin.

But a single-valued power series is convergent in a disc extending to the nearest singular point of the function. It's convergent for all points inside that disc. So I could just as well center a series for Log(z) at some point along the negative real axis and it will converge to Log(z) for every single point inside a disc the size of which is equal to the distance to the origin and what determination of Log(z) is used to construct the series will determine which single-valued branch of Log(z) the series converges to.
 


Thank you guys. That one I should have seen through! What a stupid mistake of me.

Anyway, thanks again :)
 

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