Radius of curvature of glass and water lens

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The discussion revolves around understanding the radius of curvature for a lens made of glass and water. The original poster is uncertain about the assignment of radii, specifically whether r1 is 20 cm or 10 cm, and seeks clarification on the reasoning behind the provided answer that states r1=10 cm and r2=20 cm.

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  • Participants explore geometric interpretations by drawing circles and analyzing their intersections. Questions arise about the relationship between the sizes of the circles and the assignment of radii based on curvature.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants attempting to clarify the reasoning behind the assignment of radii. Some have drawn diagrams to visualize the problem, while others are seeking further explanations to solidify their understanding. There is no explicit consensus yet, but various approaches are being explored.

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Participants are working within the constraints of the problem as presented, with a focus on understanding the geometric relationships without definitive conclusions being drawn about the radii assignments.

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by taking the lower curvature as r1 , and the upper curvature as r2 ,
i don't know whether r1 is 20cm , r2 is 10cm or vice versa.

But according to the ans r1= 10 cm , r2= 20cm . why is it so?

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Draw two circles the same size, with centres only a little apart. look at where the circles meet in relation to the two centres. The line joining the the intersections bisects the line joining the centres.
If the circles have different radii then the intersections will be closer to one of the circle centres - which one?
 
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haruspex said:
Draw two circles the same size, with centres only a little apart. look at where the circles meet in relation to the two centres. The line joining the the intersections bisects the line joining the centres.
If the circles have different radii then the intersections will be closer to one of the circle centres - which one?

i drew the diagram , and it show what you have said. but i still don't understand why it is so . can you explain further?
 
desmond iking said:
i drew the diagram , and it show what you have said. but i still don't understand why it is so . can you explain further?

Let me try another approach.
Wrt the original diagram, the question is whether r1 can be the larger radius.
Start with two circles of different radii, with the smaller inside and touching the larger. For reference, take the circle centres to be on the same X axis, with the point of contact on the left.
If we shift the smaller to the left it will be partly outside, and the left half of the arrangement will look like the original diagram but with r1 as the smaller radius. So see what happens if we shift it to the right.
At first, the smaller will be wholly inside the larger, no intersection. When intersection occurs again, the right half will again look like the original diagram, but again, with r1 as the smaller radius.
If we continue moving the smaller to the right, until it is nearly outside the larger, neither the left half nor the right half of the arrangement looks quite like the original diagram. In each case, the lens stretches more than half way around the circles.

You may think that's a lot to have to go through in order to solve the given problem. I didn't have to go through all that to solove it, because I just looked at the diagram and saw that r1 was the tighter curve, so must have the smaller radius. But I couldn't see a way to turn that into a solid argument.
 

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