Raising and lowering operators for spin

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The discussion centers on the definition of raising and lowering operators for spin, specifically S_{\pm} = S_x ± i S_y, and the rationale behind this convention. It highlights that S_+ raises the S_z value while S_- lowers it, with eigenstates labeled as |{+}\rangle and |{-}\rangle. The right-hand convention is emphasized, relating to angular momentum and its mathematical representation. The implications of using a left-hand representation are noted, suggesting it would lead to undesirable conversions in the operator definitions. Overall, the choice of S_x and S_y in the operator definition is grounded in established mathematical conventions.
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When we set the raising and lowering operators for spin to be S_{\pm} = S_x \pm i S_y, what convention are we following (i.e. why is the first term taken to be S_x and the second taken to be S_y)?
 
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If we label the eigenstates of S_z as |{+}\rangle and |{-}\rangle, so that S_z|{\pm}\rangle=\pm\frac12 |{\pm}\rangle, then
S_+|{-}\rangle=|{+}\rangle
S_-|{+}\rangle=|{-}\rangle
Also,
S_+|{+}\rangle=0
S_-|{-}\rangle=0
That is, S_+ raises the value of S_z, and S_- lowers it. That is how the raising and lowering operators are defined, and S_x \pm i S_y is just what they work out to be.
 
lion8172 said:
When we set the raising and lowering operators for spin to be S_{\pm} = S_x \pm i S_y, what convention are we following (i.e. why is the first term taken to be S_x and the second taken to be S_y)?

It is the right hand convention.
think about the angular momentum...
it is defined mathematically L=R x P... it is a "right handed representation".
We can of sure define that in left hand repr...
 
I think that is a Math method.
Example:
angular momentum: After "operate" with Math signals, Lz will be raised or lowered. (with operation L+=Lx+iLy)

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If define L \pm = L_x \pm iL_y
When comute them:
[L_z ,L \pm ] = ... = \pm \hbar (L_x \pm iL_y )
(Griffiths D.J_Quantum Mechanics...)
If define "left hand" the signal will become to convert.
+- become -+
That is not good!
 
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