Non-commuting operators on the same eigenfunctions

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The discussion centers on the implications of using an eigenvector of the Hamiltonian operator ## H ## to compute the expectation values of the non-commuting spin operators ## S_x ## and ## S_y ## for a spin 1/2 particle in a magnetic field, as detailed in Griffiths' chapter 4 (Ex. 4.3). The key conclusion is that while the eigenvector of ## H ## is valid for calculating the expectation value of ## S_z ##, it does not provide meaningful results for ## S_x ## and ## S_y ## due to their non-commuting nature. The significance lies in understanding that operators can act on any state, not just their eigenvectors, leading to values that may not correspond to physical observables.

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In Griffiths chapter 4 (pg. 179-180) there is an example (Ex. 4.3) that details the expectation value of ## S_x ##, ##S_y##, and ##S_z## of a spin 1/2 particle in a magnetic field. In this example, they find an eigenvector of ## H## (which commutes with ## S_z##) but then use this same eigenvector to compute the expectation value of both ##S_x## and ##S_y##, too. But the three spin operators do not commute. They have different eigenvectors. So what exactly is the significance of computing the expectation values of the two other spin components with this eigenvector that is not an eigenvector of those 2 operators themselves?

I seem to be missing something very fundamental here. What exactly does it mean for an operator to act on a state that is not its own eigenvector (i.e. what is the physical meaning of this value)?
 
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An operator ##A## on a finite-dimensional Hilbert space acts on all vectors, not only on the eigenvectors. The eigenvectors are just the special vectors ##\psi## for which the image ##A\psi## is parallel to ##\psi##.
 
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