Random variate X follows a normal distribution

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The discussion revolves around a homework problem involving a random variate X that follows a normal distribution with mean 0 and variance 1. Participants are tasked with finding the expected value and variance of a transformed variable Y = 2X + 4, as well as the expected value of X cubed, E[X^3]. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and exploration of properties of normal distributions.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that E[Y] = 4 is correct based on the linearity of expectation.
  • There is a discussion on how to calculate Var(Y) using the formula Var(Y) = E[Y^2] - [E(Y)]^2, with some participants expressing uncertainty about evaluating E[X^2].
  • Participants discuss the implications of the mean being zero and the symmetry of the normal distribution in relation to E[X^3].
  • Some participants suggest using the definition of E[f(X)] and the probability density function (pdf) to find E[X^3], while others express confusion about obtaining the pdf from the given information.
  • There is mention of the general formula for expectations involving functions of random variables, with a focus on integrating the product of the function and the pdf over the entire domain.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of understanding the assumptions behind probability distributions and their pdfs.
  • Another participant reminds others to demonstrate their own attempts at solving the problem rather than seeking direct solutions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on some foundational properties of the normal distribution, such as the mean being zero. However, there is no consensus on how to proceed with calculating E[X^3] or on the specifics of the pdf, leading to multiple competing views and unresolved questions.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about how to derive the pdf for the normal distribution and its implications for calculating expected values. There are also references to the need for integration techniques learned in calculus, but no specific mathematical steps are resolved.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students studying probability and statistics, particularly those working with normal distributions and expectations of random variables.

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Question :
Random variate X follows a normal distribution with mean 0 and variance 1 i.e.X~N(0,1). Given Y = 2X + 4, find
i) E[Y]
ii) Var(Y)
iii) E[X^3]


Solution:

here E[X'] = 0 and V(X) = 1

i) E[Y] = E[2X+4] = 4 [Is this correct]

ii) Var(Y) = E[Y2] - [E(Y)]2

=E[Y2] -16

Now

E[Y2] = E[(2X+4)2]

= E[(4x2 + 16x + 16]

= 4 E[x2] + 16 E[x] + 16

= 4 E[x2] + 0 + 16

Stuck here ...how to evaluate E[x2]
 
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TomJerry said:
Question :
Random variate X follows a normal distribution with mean 0 and variance 1 i.e.X~N(0,1). Given Y = 2X + 4, find
i) E[Y]
ii) Var(Y)
iii) E[X^3]


Solution:

here E[X'] = 0 and V(X) = 1

i) E[Y] = E[2X+4] = 4 [Is this correct]

ii) Var(Y) = E[Y2] - [E(Y)]2

=E[Y2] -16

Now

E[Y2] = E[(2X+4)2]

= E[(4x2 + 16x + 16]

= 4 E[x2] + 16 E[x] + 16

= 4 E[x2] + 0 + 16

Stuck here ...how to evaluate E[x2]

I was able to figure out E[X^2] = 1 now i am stuck with getting the iii) question

E[X^3] how should i do this ..
 
You should post homework questions in the homework section.
If you know the mean is zero, the distribution is symmetric about zero, so ...
 
statdad said:
You should post homework questions in the homework section.
If you know the mean is zero, the distribution is symmetric about zero, so ...

Sorry for that , but since i have already posted it , could you please guide me on how to solve the last one

ie E[X^3] = ?
 
TomJerry said:
Sorry for that , but since i have already posted it , could you please guide me on how to solve the last one

ie E[X^3] = ?

Do you know the general definition of E[f(X)]? You are given the distribution so you should know the probability density function. Based on how E[f(X)] is defined, can you figure out how to calculate E[X^3]?
 
chiro said:
Do you know the general definition of E[f(X)]? You are given the distribution so you should know the probability density function. Based on how E[f(X)] is defined, can you figure out how to calculate E[X^3]?

Hey chiro,

I know that its mean is 0 that means xf(x) = 0 ...please help me with this...
 
TomJerry said:
Hey chiro,

I know that its mean is 0 that means xf(x) = 0 ...please help me with this...

As you probably know you have either discrete, continuous, or mixed (ie sometimes discrete and sometimes continuous) distributions.

The normal is continuous so let's focus on this, but the idea is easily seen with discrete when you grasp the core idea.

As you have said the mean is the integral over the whole domain ie (-infinity,infinity) which is

Integral [x . f(x) dx] over the whole real line (or the domain of the random variable, whatever is smaller).

The expectation of a function of x, where the function is g(x) is given by

Integral [g(x) . f(x) dx] over the whole real line

With your mean E[X] the g(X) is simply X which is why the mean is given by x . f(x).

So using the general formula, with a specific case of g(X) = X^3 we use formula

Integral [g(X) . f(X) dx] = Integral [x^3 . f(x)] dx over the whole real line.

f(x) is your pdf which you can get from a stats book, wiki site etc.

The rest is simply integration that you have learned in Calculus I and II.

You can actually find E[X^n] where n is a natural number using moments as well, but for now you need to stick to the basics and find things from first principles.
 
chiro said:
As you probably know you have either discrete, continuous, or mixed (ie sometimes discrete and sometimes continuous) distributions.


f(x) is your pdf which you can get from a stats book, wiki site etc.

The rest is simply integration that you have learned in Calculus I and II.

You can actually find E[X^n] where n is a natural number using moments as well, but for now you need to stick to the basics and find things from first principles.

Thanks ,
but my real concern is how will i get f(x) since i only know mean which is 0
so what i can do is f(x) = 0 and nothing else but not sure that the right way to go.
 
TomJerry said:
Thanks ,
but my real concern is how will i get f(x) since i only know mean which is 0
so what i can do is f(x) = 0 and nothing else but not sure that the right way to go.

All your "standard" distributions whether they are continuous (ie normal, gamma, student-t, etc) or discrete (ie binomial, geometric etc) have explicit formulas for the probability density function.

When you learn these probability functions, try to understand what assumptions have been made to derive the pdfs. Some distributions have different uses like the normal, which is used in the central limit theorem, or the limit of a sampling distribution, as well as something which conveniently explains a lot of natural phenomena.

Something like the binomial or geometric has assumptions which are used to derive the pdf. For example the binomial has N trials with only two outcomes. The big assumption being independence that you get from your probability axioms (ie P(A and B) = P(A)P(B)) helps define the pdf.

Like I said for standard distributions, any statistics book, math site (like Wolfram), or wiki page will have the pdf, and like I said each distribution has a specific purpose depending on the statistics and which area of statistics is involved. To get an idea of why the distribution is used again consult a stats book, ask your lecturer a question, look up the wiki page, or ask a question in the forums.

So to answer your question for f(x) look at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_distribution
 
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tomjerry, you need to show what YOU have tried on a particular homework problem: do not attempt to wheedle solutions from others.

If you understand the normal distribution, think again about the implication of \mu = 0.
 

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