Range of value to satisfy sufficient and necessary condition

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The problem involves determining the range of a real number \( c \) such that a given inequality representing a circle (denoted as \( p \)) serves as either a sufficient or necessary condition for another set of inequalities (denoted as \( q \)) that define a region bounded by lines and the x-axis.

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  • Participants discuss the geometric interpretations of the conditions, questioning whether the relationship between the regions defined by \( p \) and \( q \) aligns with the definitions of sufficient and necessary conditions. There is a focus on the implications of the regions being subsets of one another.

Discussion Status

Some participants have expressed differing views on the correct interpretation of the conditions, leading to a productive exploration of the geometric relationships involved. There is acknowledgment of the complexities introduced by the infinite nature of the region defined by \( q \).

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the implications of the inequalities and the geometric properties of the regions involved, including the dependency of the circle's radius on \( c \) and the boundedness of the region defined by \( q \).

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Homework Statement


Let
p: x and y satisfy inequality x2 + y2 + 4x - 8y + c < 0 where c is real number
q: x and y satisfy x - y + 8 > 0 ; 4x + 3y - 24 < 0 ; y < 0

Find the range of c so that:
a. p is sufficient condition for q
b. p is necessary condition for q

Homework Equations


Circle
Inequality

The Attempt at a Solution


p is the region inside circle (excluding circumference), centered at (-2, 4) and has radius of √(20 - c)

q is the infinite region bounded by two lines and x - axis

I want to ask whether my opinion is correct:
a. For p to be sufficient condition for q, region q should be located inside the circle
b. For p to be necessary condition for q, the circle should be inside the region of q

Thanks
 
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I think it's the other way around.
'p is sufficient for q' means ##p\Rightarrow q## which should mean that ##p\subseteq q##.
 
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'p' is the interior of a circle with radius depending on c, 'q' is the region between two intersecting lines and below the y-axis . 'if p then q' (p is a sufficient condition for q) says that if (x,y) is in the circle it must be in the region between the lines- the circle must be a subset of the region. 'if q then p' (p is a necessary condition for q) says that if (x, y) is in the region it must be a in the circle- the region is a subset of the circle. But since the region between the line extends infinitely, that does not see, possible for any 'c'. If the last condition were "y> 0", then it would be a bounded triangular region.
 
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I get it.

Thanks a lot for all the help
 

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