Rank of a Matrix: Why is A = 1 & Not 0?

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The discussion centers on the concept of matrix rank, specifically addressing why a matrix filled with ones has a rank of 1 rather than 0. Participants explore the definitions of linear independence and dependence in the context of a 3x3 matrix of ones.

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  • One participant questions why a 3x3 matrix of ones has a rank of 1, arguing that all rows and columns are linearly dependent.
  • Another participant states that a rank of 0 implies that the matrix maps all vectors to the zero vector, indicating that all column or row vectors must be linearly dependent.
  • A different perspective suggests that the rank represents the dimension of the subspace reachable by the matrix, asserting that a matrix of ones can reach any point on a line in R3, thus having a rank of 1.
  • One participant explains that an n by n matrix represents a linear transformation, and for a rank of 0, the transformation must map every vector to the zero vector.
  • Another participant offers a simpler explanation, noting that the zero vector is a linearly dependent set, as it can be expressed with non-zero coefficients.
  • A later reply acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding linear independence and dependence, indicating a learning moment for that participant.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of linear independence and the implications for matrix rank. There is no consensus on the initial participant's confusion regarding the rank of the matrix of ones.

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Some statements rely on specific definitions of linear independence and the properties of linear transformations, which may not be universally agreed upon in the discussion.

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Hi
I don't understand why only a matrix full of zero has a rank = 0.

"the rank of a matrix A is the number of linearly independent rows or columns of A"

If I have a 3x3 matrix

A = [ 1 1 1
1 1 1
1 1 1 ]

assuming a_i denotes the column or row vector i of A. I can say

a_1 = 1*a_2 + 0*a_3 so a_1 is not linearly independent
a_2 = 1*a_1 + 0*a_3 so a_2 is not linearly independent
a_3 = 1*a_1 + 0*a_2 so a_3 is not linearly independent

So why rank A = 1 and not 0 ?
I know I'm missing something, I don't know what!
 
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To have rank 0 Ax=0 for all x. The column (or row vectors) are linearly dependent in pair and triples, but linearly dependent in singles. The rank is r if there exist r rows or columns that are linearly independent.
 
rank is the dimension of the subspace composed by the set of points you can reach using constant multiples of the vectors in your matrix.
A 3x3 matrix of ones can reach any point on a line in R3 (which is a subspace) and lines have dimension 1, so rank is 1.
 
More abstractly, an n by n matrix represents a linear transformation from an n dimensional vector space to an n dimensional vector space- L: U-> V. The "range" is the dimension of L(U) as a subspace of V. In particular, if you multiply a matrix by the vector having 1 as the ith entry, 0 every where else, you get the ith column of the matrix. But the set of all such vectors form a basis for U and so are mapped into a set that spans L(U). The only subspace with dimension 0 is the set containing only the 0 vector. In other words, to have rank 0, L must map every vector into the 0 vector. That is the "0" linear tranformation which is represented by the 0 matrix.
 
a simpler explanation is provided by noting that the set {(0,0,0)} (or any other n-dimensional 0-vector) is a linearly dependent set.

why? because for the 0-vector, we can have c0 = 0, even if c is non-zero.
 
Thank you. So I was wrong mainly because I had not understood the notion of linearly (in)dependence...
 

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