Ranking the force of point charges problem

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The problem involves five point charges with varying magnitudes and signs placed near an insulating spherical shell with a uniform positive charge. The task is to rank the point charges based on the increasing magnitude of the force exerted on them by the spherical shell, using Coulomb's law.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss applying Coulomb's law to calculate the forces on each charge and express uncertainty about how to rank the forces without numerical values. There is a suggestion to factor out common terms to simplify the comparison.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on focusing on the magnitudes of the forces rather than their signs, emphasizing that the ranking should be based solely on the absolute values. There is an ongoing exploration of how to interpret the results and the implications of the negative signs in the context of magnitudes.

Contextual Notes

The original poster expresses confusion about the ranking process and the relevance of negative signs, while other participants clarify the definition of magnitude in this context.

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Homework Statement



5 point charges;
q1; charge = +q distance = d
q2; charge = +2q distance = 3d
q3; charge = -3q distance = 2d
q4; charge = -4q distance = 3d
q5; charge = -5q distance = 2d
are placed in the vicinity of an insulating spherical shell with a charge (+Q), distributed uniformly over its surface.
Rank the point charges in order of the increasing magnitude of force exerted on them by the sphere. Indicate all ties where appropriate. Show all calculations of force.

Homework Equations



Coulomb's law;
F= K (q1)(q2)
---------​
r^2​

The Attempt at a Solution


I've applied coulomb's law to each of the charges, substituting each of the values in;


q1=> F= K Qq
-----​
d^2​

q2=> F= K 2Qq
------​
3d^2​

q3=> F= K -3Qq
------​
4d^2​

q4=> F= K -4Qq
------​
9d^2​

q5=> F= K -5Qq
-------​
4d^2​

I'm still not sure how to rank the equations after I've substituted the values?
I.e.- How do I tell which is higher when I have no numerical value for each?

should I be solving the equations somehow?

Any help much appreciated
 
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Hi macaco! :smile:

(try using the X2 tag just above the Reply box :wink:)

This is really messy, and almost unreadable …

do everything as a factor of qQ/d2

and forget the signs (the + or -) … they're only asking for the magnitudes, so it doesn't matter. :wink:
 
You're a legend Tiny Tim.
(The legend of Tiny Tim; sounds like a good book title =P)

Didn't think of taking out a common factor.

The charges in ascending order, according to the values left would be;
q2=> 0.66
q1=> 1
q4=> 1.33
q3=> 1.5
q5=> 2.5

(hopefully)

Thanks again TT

=]
 
The one thing I did not understand, is why you would not use the negative symbols, and rank the negatives below the positives?
 
Hi macaco! :smile:

(just got up :zzz: …)
macaco said:
The one thing I did not understand, is why you would not use the negative symbols, and rank the negatives below the positives?

Because the question specified …
macaco said:
Rank the point charges in order of the increasing magnitude of force …

and the definition of "magnitude" is that you're only interested in the size, not the direction …

so the magnitude of a negative number -x is x, the magnitude of a vector (such as force) is its length, and the magnitude of a complex number a + ib = re is √(a2 + b2) = r. :wink:
 
thanks again TT
 

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