Reaction of KCI and MgCl2 with AgNO3

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The discussion revolves around a chemistry problem involving the reaction of a mixture of KCl and MgCl2 with AgNO3, leading to the precipitation of AgCl. Participants are tasked with calculating the percentages of KCl and MgCl2 in the original mixture based on the mass of AgCl produced. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and problem-solving related to stoichiometry and chemical reactions.

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  • One participant presents a problem involving a mixture of KCl and MgCl2, asking for help in calculating their percentages based on the mass of AgCl obtained.
  • Several participants emphasize the importance of showing prior work and understanding basic principles, such as atomic weights and molecular formulas.
  • There are multiple references to chemical reactions and stoichiometry, with one participant attempting to derive equations based on the moles of KCl and MgCl2 in relation to the mass of AgCl.
  • One participant points out a potential error in the chemical reactions presented and challenges the assumptions made about the stoichiometry involved.
  • Another participant suggests that the total moles of AgCl can be expressed in terms of the moles of KCl and MgCl2, leading to a system of equations to solve for x (moles of KCl) and y (moles of MgCl2).

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct approach to solving the problem, with some expressing confusion over the calculations and others questioning the validity of the chemical equations used. The discussion remains unresolved as participants continue to explore different methods and clarify their reasoning.

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There are limitations in the clarity of the chemical reactions presented and the assumptions made regarding the stoichiometry. Participants express uncertainty about the calculations and the relationships between the moles of reactants and products.

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You have to show your attempts, this is a forum policy. Also, please don't ignore the template.
A mixture consisting of KCI and MgCl2 weights 1.2505 g. The mixture was
dissolved in water and an excess of AgNO3 was added. The chloride ions
were precipitated as AgCl. The mass of AgCl obtained was 2.5788 g.
Calculate the percentages of KCI and MgCl2 in the original mixture.
 
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You are fairly new here. See the general site instructions – we do not help students who show no effort at all and also there is a template for homework problems.

Also it is not possible that you do not have a book that explains the general principles (atomic weights and molecular formulae etc.) as well as worked examples of how you would calculate the amount of Cl that was in so many grams of AgCl, which is the first part of the problem.
 
Can you show us what you already have done towards the solution of this problem?
 

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Sorry guys I'm stuck after calculating the moles AgCl , then I have no idea since both MgCl2 and KCl
 
cliffordlim said:
Sorry guys I'm stuck after calculating the moles AgCl , then I have no idea since both MgCl2 and KCl
Sounds like you were cut off in mid-sentence. Did you want to finish writing down your thoughts?
 
First of all your 3rd chemical reaction is not correct, you cannot always add chemical reactions the same way you add equations in math.

Suppose x are the moles of KCI and y are the moles of MgCl2 present in the initial mixture that weights 1.2505g. What equation can you make involving x, y, the molecular weights and the total mass of 1.2505g?
 
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SteamKing said:
Sounds like you were cut off in mid-sentence. Did you want to finish writing down your thoughts?
as refer the photo https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/13292854_474251089440635_868770269_n-jpg.101434/
AgNO3 + KCl ---> AgCl + KNO3 ...(i)
2AgNO3 + MgCl2 ----> 2AgCl + Mg(NO3)2 ...(ii)
mole of AgCl 2.5788g/143.28 = 0.018mol , Assume
since I 1 mol from Chloride from equation (i) and 2 mole from equation (ii) total 3 mole
mass of KCl 0.018/3 x 74.55g mol-1 = 0.477g
mass of MgCl2 0.018/3 x 95.2g mol-1 = 0.5712g
after calculating the mass 0.477g KCl + 0.5712g = 1.0482g but this amount is not equal to orginal mass .1.2505g
 
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Delta² said:
First of all your 3rd chemical reaction is not correct, you cannot always add chemical reactions the same way you add equations in math.

Suppose x are the moles of KCI and y are the moles of MgCl2 present in the initial mixture that weights 1.2505g. What equation can you make involving x, y, the molecular weights and the total mass of 1.2505g?
Thanks you , next time I will show the solution / effort . I'm fairly new here ...
 
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cliffordlim said:
as refer the photo https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/13292854_474251089440635_868770269_n-jpg.101434/
AgNO3 + KCl ---> AgCl + KNO3 ...(i)
2AgNO3 + MgCl2 ----> 2AgCl + Mg(NO3)2 ...(ii)
mole of AgCl 2.5788g/143.28 = 0.018mol , Assume
since I 1 mol from Chloride from equation (i) and 2 mole from equation (ii) total 3 mole
mass of KCl 0.018/3 x 74.55g mol-1 = 0.477g
mass of MgCl2 0.018/3 x 95.2g mol-1 = 0.5712g
after calculating the mass 0.477g KCl + 0.5712g = 1.0482g but this amount is not equal to orginal mass .1.2505g

The correct way to think is that from 1 mole of KCl you get 1 mole of AgCl cause that's what (i) tell us among other things, hence from x moles KCl you ll get x moles of AgCl. But you ll get additional moles of AgCl from (ii). Can you express those additional moles in terms of y? The total moles of AgCl will be equal to 0.018
 
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Delta² said:
The correct way to think is that from 1 mole of KCl you get 1 mole of AgCl cause that's what (i) tell us among other things, hence from x moles KCl you ll get x moles of AgCl. But you ll get additional moles of AgCl from (ii). Can you express those additional moles in terms of y? The total moles of AgCl will be equal to 0.018
ermm..it is
1 mole of KCl = 1 mole of AgCl
(0.018-x) mole of KCl = 0.018 mole of AgCl

1 mole of MgCl2 = 2 mole of AgCl
1/2 (0.018-y) mole of MgCl = 0.018 mole of AgCl
??
or
1 mole of KCl = 1 mole of AgCl
x mole of KCl = x mole of AgCl

1 mole of MgCl2 = 2 mole of AgCl
1/2y-x mole of MgCl2 =
 
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cliffordlim said:
ermm..it is
1 mole of KCl = 1 mole of AgCl
(0.018-x) mole of KCl = 0.018 mole of AgCl

1 mole of MgCl2 = 2 mole of AgCl
1/2 (0.018-y) mole of MgCl = 0.018 mole of AgCl
??
or
1 mole of KCl = 1 mole of AgCl
x mole of KCl = x mole of AgCl

1 mole of MgCl2 = 2 mole of AgCl
1/2y-x mole of MgCl2 =
Sorry can't follow what you doing here...i ve posted two questions one in post #9 and one in post #12, if you can successfully answer those questions you ll make two linear equations each one involving x (the moles of KCl) and y(the moles of MgCl2) . Then you can easily solve the system of those two equations to obtain x and y.
 
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