Real Solutions to $a-b+c-d=0; ab=cd; a^2-b^2+c^2-d^2=-24;a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2=50$

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The discussion revolves around finding all real solutions to a system of equations involving variables a, b, c, and d. The equations include linear and quadratic relationships, and the participants explore various approaches to solve the system.

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  • Participants present the system of equations and express interest in finding real solutions.
  • One participant highlights the observation that if $(a+b)^2 = (c+d)^2$, then both $a+b=c+d$ or $a+b=-(c+d)$ could be valid, emphasizing the need to determine which case applies.
  • Another participant confirms checking both cases and notes that one case works while the other does not, leading to the removal of the erroneous case.

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There is no consensus on the overall solution to the system, but participants agree on the validity of checking different cases related to the equations.

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Participants do not fully resolve the implications of their findings, and the discussion remains open regarding the complete set of real solutions.

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Find all real solutions to the system

$a-b+c-d=0$

$ab=cd$

$a^2-b^2+c^2-d^2=-24$

$a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2=50$
 
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We are given
a- b + c - d = 0 ... (1)

ab = cd ...(2)

$a^2 - b^2 + c^2 - d^2 = - 24$ ...(3)

$ a^2 + b^2 + c^2 + d^2 = 50 $...(4)

from (1)
a- b = d- c... (5)

square above and using (2)
$(a-b)^2 + 4ab = (c-d)^2 + 4cd$
or $(a+b)^2 = (c+d)^2$
so $a + b = c + d$ ... (6)

or $a+ b = -c - d$ ..(7)

from (5) and (6) a = d and b= c but it is not possible as LHS of (3) is zero which is contradiction

from (5) and (7) a = -c and b = - d

so we get from (3) and (4)

$a^2 - b^2 = - 12$

$a^2 + b^2 = 25$

add above to get $2 a^2 = 13$, subtract to get $2b^2 = 37$
this gives 4 set of solutions

(a,b,c,d) = $(\sqrt\frac{13}{2},\sqrt\frac{37}{2},-\sqrt\frac{13}{2},-\sqrt\frac{37}{2})$

or $(\sqrt\frac{13}{2},-\sqrt\frac{37}{2},-\sqrt\frac{13}{2},\sqrt\frac{37}{2})$

or $(-\sqrt\frac{13}{2},-\sqrt\frac{37}{2},\sqrt\frac{13}{2},\sqrt\frac{37}{2})$

or $(-\sqrt\frac{13}{2},\sqrt\frac{37}{2},\sqrt\frac{13}{2},-\sqrt\frac{37}{2})$
 
kaliprasad said:
We are given
a- b + c - d = 0 ... (1)

ab = cd ...(2)

$a^2 - b^2 + c^2 - d^2 = - 24$ ...(3)

$ a^2 + b^2 + c^2 + d^2 = 50 $...(4)

from (1)
a- b = d- c... (5)

square above and using (2)
$(a-b)^2 + 4ab = (c-d)^2 + 4cd$
or $(a+b)^2 = (c+d)^2$
so $a + b = c + d$ ... (6)

or $a+ b = -c - d$ ..(7)

from (5) and (6) a = d and b= c but it is not possible as LHS of (3) is zero which is contradiction

from (5) and (7) a = -c and b = - d

so we get from (3) and (4)

$a^2 - b^2 = - 12$

$a^2 + b^2 = 25$

add above to get $2 a^2 = 13$, subtract to get $2b^2 = 37$
this gives 4 set of solutions

(a,b,c,d) = $(\sqrt\frac{13}{2},\sqrt\frac{37}{2},-\sqrt\frac{13}{2},-\sqrt\frac{37}{2})$

or $(\sqrt\frac{13}{2},-\sqrt\frac{37}{2},-\sqrt\frac{13}{2},\sqrt\frac{37}{2})$

or $(-\sqrt\frac{13}{2},-\sqrt\frac{37}{2},\sqrt\frac{13}{2},\sqrt\frac{37}{2})$

or $(-\sqrt\frac{13}{2},\sqrt\frac{37}{2},\sqrt\frac{13}{2},-\sqrt\frac{37}{2})$

Nice solution!(Cool)(Sun) I especially like how you observed if $(a+b)^2 = (c+d)^2$, then both $a+b=c+d$ or $a+b=-(c+d)$ hold true for general case but then we need to choose wisely which one only works for our case . I mean, we all know we should put the plus minus sign when taking square root, but it seems so brilliant to apply it in question such as this one, and I learned quite a bit from you, kali!
 
anemone said:
Nice solution!(Cool)(Sun) I especially like how you observed if $(a+b)^2 = (c+d)^2$, then both $a+b=c+d$ or $a+b=-(c+d)$ hold true for general case but then we need to choose wisely which one only works for our case . I mean, we all know we should put the plus minus sign when taking square root, but it seems so brilliant to apply it in question such as this one, and I learned quite a bit from you, kali!

Thanks anemone, I checked for both cases and saw that one works and another does not. so I removed the erroneous case.
 

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