Real Solutions to System of Equations: a, b, and c Values

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The discussion revolves around finding all real solutions to a system of equations involving three variables, \(a\), \(b\), and \(c\), defined in terms of each other through a specific functional relationship. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and exploration of potential solutions.

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  • Some participants define the function \(f(x) = \dfrac{4x^2}{1+4x^2}\) and note that it maps to the interval \([0,1)\), suggesting that \(a\), \(b\), and \(c\) must also lie within this range.
  • It is pointed out that \(x - f(x) = \dfrac{x(1-2x)^2}{1+4x^2}\) is zero at \(x=0\) and \(x=\frac{1}{2}\), indicating potential fixed points for the function.
  • Participants argue that \(f(x) \leqslant x\) for all \(x\) in the unit interval, leading to the conclusion that \(f\) cannot have periodic points of order 3.
  • Some participants conclude that the only solutions to the equations are \(a=b=c=0\) and \(a=b=c=\frac{1}{2}\), based on the properties of the function \(f\).
  • Other participants express appreciation for the solutions provided and mention the use of the AM-GM inequality as a useful tool in solving such equations.

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There appears to be a general agreement on the solutions \(a=b=c=0\) and \(a=b=c=\frac{1}{2}\) among some participants. However, the discussion also includes varying approaches and methods, with some participants not yet providing their solutions, indicating that the discussion remains open to further contributions.

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Some assumptions about the behavior of the function \(f\) and its implications for the solutions are not fully explored, leaving room for additional analysis or alternative perspectives on the problem.

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Find all real solutions to the system of equations below:

$a=\dfrac{4c^2}{1+4c^2}$

$b=\dfrac{4a^2}{1+4a^2}$

$c=\dfrac{4b^2}{1+4b^2}$
 
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anemone said:
Find all real solutions to the system of equations below:

$a=\dfrac{4c^2}{1+4c^2}$

$b=\dfrac{4a^2}{1+4a^2}$

$c=\dfrac{4b^2}{1+4b^2}$
[sp]Let $f(x) = \dfrac{4x^2}{1+4x^2}$. Clearly $0\leqslant f(x) <1$. Therefore $a,b,c$ all lie in the interval $[0,1).$

Next, $x - f(x) = x - \dfrac{4x^2}{1+4x^2} = \dfrac{x + 4x^3 - 4x^2}{1+4x^2} = \dfrac{x(1-2x)^2}{1+4x^2}.$ That is zero when $x=0$ or $x=\frac12$, and it is strictly positive through the remainder of the unit interval. Thus $f(x) \leqslant x$ for all $x$ in the unit interval, and $f$ can have no periodic points of order $3$. In fact, if $f^{(3)}$ denotes the composition $f\circ f\circ f$, then $f^{(3)}(x) \leqslant (f\circ f)(x) \leqslant f(x) \leqslant x.$ So the only way in which we can have $f^{(3)}(x) = x$ is if $f(x) = x$.

In terms of $a,\,b$ and $c$, this says that the only solutions to the given equations are $a=b=c=0$ and $a=b=c=\frac12.$[/sp]
 
Opalg said:
[sp]Let $f(x) = \dfrac{4x^2}{1+4x^2}$. Clearly $0\leqslant f(x) <1$. Therefore $a,b,c$ all lie in the interval $[0,1).$

Next, $x - f(x) = x - \dfrac{4x^2}{1+4x^2} = \dfrac{x + 4x^3 - 4x^2}{1+4x^2} = \dfrac{x(1-2x)^2}{1+4x^2}.$ That is zero when $x=0$ or $x=\frac12$, and it is strictly positive through the remainder of the unit interval. Thus $f(x) \leqslant x$ for all $x$ in the unit interval, and $f$ can have no periodic points of order $3$. In fact, if $f^{(3)}$ denotes the composition $f\circ f\circ f$, then $f^{(3)}(x) \leqslant (f\circ f)(x) \leqslant f(x) \leqslant x.$ So the only way in which we can have $f^{(3)}(x) = x$ is if $f(x) = x$.

In terms of $a,\,b$ and $c$, this says that the only solutions to the given equations are $a=b=c=0$ and $a=b=c=\frac12.$[/sp]

Brilliant!(Yes)(Yes) Thanks for your intelligent solution and thanks for participating, Opalg!
 
My Solution:

Given $$\displaystyle a = \frac{4c^2}{1+4c^2}$$ and $$\displaystyle b= \frac{4a^2}{1+4a^2}$$ and $$\displaystyle c=\frac{4b^2}{1+4b^2}$$

Clearly here $$\left(a,b,c\right)=(0,0,0)$$ now if $$\left(a,b,c\right)\neq (0,0,0)$$ then here $$a,b,c>0$$

bcz of square quantity in Numerator and Denomenator.

Now Multiply all Three equations, We get

$$\Rightarrow \displaystyle \frac{64(abc)^2}{\left(1+4a^2\right)\left(1+4b^2\right)\left(1+4c^2\right)} = abc\Rightarrow \left(1+4a^2\right)\cdot \left(1+4b^2\right)\cdot \left(1+4c^2\right) = 64abc$$

Now Using $$\bf{A.M\geq G.M}$$.

$$\left(1+4a^2\right)\geq 4a$$ and $$\left(1+4b^2\right)\geq 4b$$ and $$\left(1+4c^2\right)\geq 4c$$

Now Multiply all three, We get $$\left(1+4a^2\right)\cdot \left(1+4b^2\right)\cdot \left(1+4c^2\right)\geq 64abc$$

and equality hold when $$\displaystyle a = b=c = \frac{1}{2}$$

So the solution of the equation are $$\displaystyle \left(q,b,c\right) = \left(0,0,0\right)$$ and $$\displaystyle \left(q,b,c\right) = \left(\frac{1}{2},\frac{1}{2},\frac{1}{2}\right)$$
 
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jacks said:
My Solution:

Given $$\displaystyle a = \frac{4c^2}{1+4c^2}$$ and $$\displaystyle b= \frac{4a^2}{1+4a^2}$$ and $$\displaystyle c=\frac{4b^2}{1+4b^2}$$

Clearly here $$\left(a,b,c\right)=(0,0,0)$$ now if $$\left(a,b,c\right)\neq (0,0,0)$$ then here $$a,b,c>0$$

bcz of square quantity in Numerator and Denomenator.

Now Multiply all Three equations, We get

$$\Rightarrow \displaystyle \frac{64(abc)^2}{\left(1+4a^2\right)\left(1+4b^2\right)\left(1+4c^2\right)} = abc\Rightarrow \left(1+4a^2\right)\cdot \left(1+4b^2\right)\cdot \left(1+4c^2\right) = 64abc$$

Now Using $$\bf{A.M\geq G.M}$$.

$$\left(1+4a^2\right)\geq 4a$$ and $$\left(1+4b^2\right)\geq 4b$$ and $$\left(1+4c^2\right)\geq 4c$$

Now Multiply all three, We get $$\left(1+4a^2\right)\cdot \left(1+4b^2\right)\cdot \left(1+4c^2\right)\geq 64abc$$

and equality hold when $$\displaystyle a = b=c = \frac{1}{2}$$

So the solution of the equation are $$\displaystyle \left(q,b,c\right) = \left(0,0,0\right)$$ and $$\displaystyle \left(q,b,c\right) = \left(\frac{1}{2},\frac{1}{2},\frac{1}{2}\right)$$

Good job jacks!(Yes) I like it when the AM-GM inequality could be used as a tool to solve for any appropriate system of equations, and thanks for participating!
 

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