Real World Example for Cosecant or Secant

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around finding real-world applications for the cosecant function, particularly in contexts that would be relevant for teaching high school mathematics. Participants explore various examples and the significance of cosecant and secant in mathematical expressions and physical scenarios.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that cosecant is defined as csc(x) = 1/sin(x) and suggests that wherever sin(x) appears, csc(x) can also be applied.
  • Another participant emphasizes the utility of abbreviations in mathematics, comparing csc(x) to the number 8 as a more convenient representation, while acknowledging the need to learn additional rules.
  • A different participant expresses a desire for a real-world example involving graphing, mentioning sunrises and rotating lights, but finds the only example of high gain antennas too complex for high school students.
  • One participant mentions potential applications of secant and cosecant in physics, particularly in mechanics, but notes that the practical relevance remains unclear.
  • A later reply proposes a scenario involving two people where the distance between them can be expressed using csc(w), suggesting a practical application in measuring angles and distances.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the mathematical significance of cosecant and its relationship to sine, but there is no consensus on a specific real-world application that is suitable for high school teaching. Multiple competing views and examples are presented without resolution.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the complexity of examples provided, such as high gain antennas, which may not be appropriate for the intended audience. Additionally, the practical applications of secant and cosecant in physics are mentioned but remain vague.

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I am math teacher and was asked the classic question, "Where am I ever going to use this in life" I usually have a real word example, but for the cosecant function I am stuck (Besides higher level math classes.) Anyone know a specific example?
 
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I also teach math. Here is one way to respond to the importance of csc(x):

Cosecant is simply defined as: csc(x) = 1/sin(x)

So, anywhere sin(x) might occur in the “real world”, so does csc(x) since sin(x) = 1/csc(x). You could always rewrite sin(x) in terms of csc(x).

One great importance of csc(x) is that it can abbreviate expressions involving sin(x).

For example, (1/sin(x))^2 = (cos(x)/sin(x))^2 + 1 is more clearly written as

(csc(x))^2 = (cot(x))^2 + 1.

Abbreviations are very useful, they are everywhere in math. A basic example would be the number 8.

It is more convenient to write 8 instead of 1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1. But there is a trade off. Now you need to memorize that 8+1=9. That is, you need to learn more rules. This would not be the case if we just wrote it all out:

(1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1)+1=1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1.

The abbreviations 8 and 9 are VERY nice, even though one needs to learn additional rules. Likewise, csc(x) is very nice, just take the time to learn the additional rules that accompany the abbreviation.
 
I agree that the math behind the the function is very important. As far as 1/sinx goes, I guess I could set up equation that it would be easier to use the csc, but I was hoping for a real world example that involved graphing, like using the sine or cosine function with sunrises or using the tangent and a rotating light on the wall.

The only example I can find for csc is the type of high gain antennae but that's a little to complicated for high school.
 
Examples for use of secant and cosecant: A few exist in Physics, mechanics at least. You might find a formula relating to friction to be more compactly written using one of those functions. How this relates to actual practice in the real world, unclear.
 
The light on the wall can be modified.

How about this: Two people, A and B, standing at a distance of L ft. apart.

Person A stays still. Person B starts running at velocity v in the direction perpendicular to the original line from A to B. Person A measures the angle w from the original line to the line of sight of person B’s position. Then, the distance from A to B at time t is

vtcsc(w) for t,w>0.
 

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