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The discussion revolves around the definition of continuity in the context of single-variable calculus, specifically whether a function must be defined at a point to be considered continuous at that point. Participants explore various interpretations of continuity, including the implications of removable discontinuities.

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  • Mathguy questions whether a function must be defined at a point to be continuous at that point, citing a definition from lecture notes.
  • Some participants assert that a function must be defined at the point in question for it to be continuous, suggesting that the teacher's definition is unconventional.
  • One participant introduces the concept of removable singularities, indicating that a function can be extended to be continuous at a point where it is not originally defined.
  • Another participant provides an example of a function with a removable discontinuity, arguing that it can be treated as continuous if the gap is filled appropriately.
  • There is a disagreement regarding the interpretation of the definition provided by Mathguy's teacher, with some asserting that the existence of f(p) is necessary for continuity.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity of a function being defined at a point for continuity, with no consensus reached on the interpretation of the definition presented.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights ambiguities in definitions of continuity and the implications of removable discontinuities, with participants relying on different interpretations of continuity in mathematical contexts.

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Hello,

I was reading through some lecture notes on Single-Variable Calculus, and the teacher gave this definition of continuity:

"A function f is called continuous at a point p if a value f(p) can be found such
that f(x) → f(p) for x → p. A function f is called continuous on [a, b] if it is
continuous for every point x in the interval [a, b]."

Now, I thought this meant the function actually had to be defined at p, but the teacher says that the function 1/log(|x|) is continuous at 0. Of course, log(|x|) isn't defined at 0. So, I have to ask the question, Does a function have to be defined at a point to be continuous at that point?

Thanks,
Mathguy

PS: I have found other definitions that say f(p) must exist.
 
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Your teacher has some weird terminology. Usually, the function must always be defined at p in order for the function to be continuous.

Of course, often the function is not defined at p, but a value of f(p) can be given. Strictly speaking, we don't talk about a continuous function then. Such a thing is usually called a removable singularity. The function that is continuous is actually the unique extension of f at p.
 
What micromass said. It is unusual for a definition of continuity.

Basically, it is the usual definition plus a stipulation that you can fill in gaps in the domain anywhere the limit exists but at which the function is not naturally defined by the formula. A more trivial example would be x^2/x. It is somewhat ambiguous whether 0 is in the domain of this function or not. Personally, I would say that the reasonable answer is that this is the same as the function x which is defined everywhere. So basically, your prof is saying the same sort of thing. If there is a defect in the formula that leaves out points, then we should automatically fill them in if possible.
 
Alrighty, thanks!
 
According to you your teacher
gave this definition of continuity:

"A function f is called continuous at a point p if a value f(p) can be found such
that f(x) → f(p) for x → p. A function f is called continuous on [a, b] if it is
continuous for every point x in the interval [a, b]."

Since that requires that f(x)→ f(p), that definition requires that f(p) exist. By that definition, the function f(x)= 1/log(|x|) is NOT continuous at x= 0. We would say it has a "removable discontinuity" there. The discontinuity can be "removed" by defining f(0) to be 0.
 

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