Rearranging Equation: Solving for km(m+1) from km(m-1)+2m^2

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The discussion revolves around rearranging the equation km(m-1) + 2m² to achieve the form km(m+1). Participants are exploring algebraic manipulations and the equivalence of expressions within the context of this equation.

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  • Some participants attempt to expand and rearrange the original equation, leading to various forms, while others question the algebraic equivalence of the expressions involved. There are discussions about specific values for k and m to test the validity of the expressions.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights and suggestions for alternative approaches. There is recognition of potential errors in assumptions regarding the parity of m and the implications for the expressions being manipulated.

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Participants note that the problem involves specific conditions for k and m, and there is mention of the need for proof by induction in the context of summing series. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the correctness of certain algebraic steps and assumptions made during the process.

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I need to rearrange the equation of km(m-1)+2m2 so it will look like km(m+1) in the end.

I start by expanding the brackets:

km(m-1)+2m2
= km2-km+2m2
= km(m-1)+2m2 (1)
or m(km-k+2m) (2)
or m2(2+k)-km (3)

Then I'm stuck. I've tried many other ways but they all become either (1) or (2) or (3) at the end. I have to find a way to get the final result as km(m+1), please help!
 
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bubokribuck said:
I need to rearrange the equation of km(m-1)+2m2 so it will look like km(m+1) in the end.

I hate to break it to you, but these two expressions are not algebraically equivalent.

Let k = 0, m = 1.
 
gb7nash said:
I hate to break it to you, but these two expressions are not algebraically equivalent.

Let k = 0, m = 1.

This is true, but if you mean to say you want the result to be km(m+1) + other stuff, then I suggest you try adding and subtracting km to the expanded expression, and then gathering km(m+1) from there.
 
I must have done something wrong then. Will there be any solutions if k=(-1)m-1? I set k=(-1)m-1 to make life easier, maybe this is where I went wrong.

So is there a way to arrange (-1)m-1m(m-1)+2m2 into (-1)m-1m(m+1)?
 
bubokribuck said:
So is there a way to arrange (-1)m-1m(m-1)+2m2 into (-1)m-1m(m+1)?

Unfortunately, no. Try m = 3 for both and you'll obtain different answers for each.
 
Can't figure where I've done wrong, so I thought I'd post the whole question and start by scratch.

Q: Show the sum of the first m terms of the series 12 - 22 + 32 - 42 + ... is 0.5(-1)m-1m(m+1) (for m any positive integer).

This is what I've done so far.

12 - 22 + 32 - 42 + ... + (m-1)2
= 0.5(-1)m-1-1(m-1)(m-1+1)
= 0.5(-1)m-2(m)(m-1)

Add -m2 to both sides:

12 - 22 + 32 - 42 + ... + (m-1)2 - m2 = 0.5(-1)m-2(m)(m-1)-m2

As the above equation represents the sum of the first m terms, so it must mean that
0.5(-1)m-2(m)(m-1)-m2 = 0.5(-1)m-1m(m+1) and if I can prove this then I'm done.

However, I figured that there's something wrong with the equation 0.5(-1)m-2(m)(m-1)-m2 as it's only true for when m is even. For any m that's odd, it doesn't work.

So what exactly have I done wrong?
 
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0.5(-1)m-2(m)(m-1)-m2 = 0.5(-1)m-1m(m+1)

Huh?
 
ArcanaNoir said:
Huh?

Is it not correct? I sincerely don't know where I've gone wrong. If you have spotted any errors could you please let me know?
 
bubokribuck said:
Can't figure where I've done wrong, so I thought I'd post the whole question and start by scratch.

Q: Show the sum of the first m terms of the series 12 - 22 + 32 - 42 + ... is 0.5(-1)m-1m(m+1) (for m any positive integer).

This is what I've done so far.

12 - 22 + 32 - 42 + ... + (m-1)2
= 0.5(-1)m-1-1(m-1)(m-1+1)
= 0.5(-1)m-2(m)(m-1)

Add -m2 to both sides:
Here you're making the assumption that m is even. If m was odd, you would add +m2. I haven't tried to figure this out, but maybe you could add (-1)m-1m2 instead to take care of the signs.
 
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I think I figured it out.
bubokribuck said:
Can't figure where I've done wrong, so I thought I'd post the whole question and start by scratch.

Q: Show the sum of the first m terms of the series 12 - 22 + 32 - 42 + ... is 0.5(-1)m-1m(m+1) (for m any positive integer).

This is what I've done so far.

12 - 22 + 32 - 42 + ... + (-1)m-2(m-1)2
= 0.5(-1)m-1-1(m-1)(m-1+1)
= 0.5(-1)m-2(m-1)(m)
You'll need the part that's bolded above as well. You're assuming that (m-1) is odd.
bubokribuck said:
Add -m2 to both sides:
As I've said, change to "add (-1)m-1m2 to both sides".
12 - 22 + 32 - 42 + ... + (-1)m-2(m-1)2 + (-1)m-1m2 = 0.5(-1)m-2(m-1)(m) + (-1)m-1m2

Now simplify the RHS to get 0.5(-1)m-1m(m+1).
 
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bubokribuck said:
Can't figure where I've done wrong, so I thought I'd post the whole question and start by scratch.

Q: Show the sum of the first m terms of the series 12 - 22 + 32 - 42 + ... is 0.5(-1)m-1m(m+1) (for m any positive integer).

This is what I've done so far.

12 - 22 + 32 - 42 + ... + (m-1)2
= 0.5(-1)m-1-1(m-1)(m-1+1)
= 0.5(-1)m-2(m)(m-1)

Add -m2 to both sides:

12 - 22 + 32 - 42 + ... + (m-1)2 - m2 = 0.5(-1)m-2(m)(m-1)-m2

As the above equation represents the sum of the first m terms, so it must mean that
0.5(-1)m-2(m)(m-1)-m2 = 0.5(-1)m-1m(m+1) and if I can prove this then I'm done.
No, what you have above is the sum of the first m - 1 terms of the series. You are apparently doing a proof by induction, but you have not made any mention of this fact.
bubokribuck said:
However, I figured that there's something wrong with the equation 0.5(-1)m-2(m)(m-1)-m2 as it's only true for when m is even. For any m that's odd, it doesn't work.

So what exactly have I done wrong?
 
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eumyang said:
Here you're making the assumption that m is even. If m was odd, you would add +m2. I haven't tried to figure this out, but maybe you could add (-1)m-1m2 instead to take care of the signs.
eumyang, you have that backwards. The even terms are negative, and the odd terms are positive.
 
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eumyang said:
I think I figured it out.

You'll need the part that's bolded above as well. You're assuming that (m-1) is odd.

As I've said, change to "add (-1)m-1m2 to both sides".
12 - 22 + 32 - 42 + ... + (-1)m-2(m-1)2 + (-1)m-1m2 = 0.5(-1)m-2(m-1)(m) + (-1)m-1m2

Now simplify the RHS to get 0.5(-1)m-1m(m+1).

Mark44 said:
No, what you have above is the sum of the first m - 1 terms of the series. You are apparently doing a proof by induction, but you have not made any mention of this fact.

I have managed to solve the problem using proof by induction, thanks for your help :)
 
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Mark44 said:
eumyang, you have that backwards. The even terms are negative, and the odd terms are positive.
I thought that was what I said previously. :confused:
 
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I think it actually was. I misinterpreted what you meant. I thought that you were saying referred to 12 - 22 + 32 -+ ... + m2, where m is even.
 

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