Reason for the relatively isolated triangle of oldest crust in the Pacific?

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The discussion centers on the geological features of the Pacific plate, particularly the isolated triangle of the oldest crust near the Marianas Trench. Participants explore the implications of this triangle's formation, the movement of the Pacific plate, and the relationship to the Hawaiian-Emperor seamount chain. The conversation encompasses theoretical and conceptual aspects of plate tectonics and geological history.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note the existence of a triangle in the Pacific representing the oldest crust, questioning how it can be surrounded by younger material.
  • One participant suggests that the triangle may have been a pole of rotation in the past, indicating a complex history of the Pacific plate's movement.
  • Another participant confirms that the oldest recognized seamount age is approximately 81 million years, with a directional change occurring around 47 million years ago.
  • There is a suggestion that the oldest Pacific seafloor is about 280 million years old, which raises questions about the relationship between the seafloor age and the seamount chain.
  • Some participants recommend using geological reconstruction tools, such as Gplates, to visualize the evolution of the triangle and its significance in the formation of the Pacific Ocean.
  • One participant expresses surprise at the triangle's origin as a point source that evolved into a system of spreading ridges, indicating a complex growth pattern of the Pacific plate.
  • A later reply references a paper suggesting that the plate formed at the junction of three older plates, adding another layer to the discussion about its formation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various hypotheses regarding the formation and history of the Pacific plate, with no consensus reached on the specific mechanisms or implications of the triangle's existence. Multiple competing views remain regarding the plate's movement and the significance of the seamount chain.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the need for further exploration of geological reconstructions and the limitations of current understanding regarding the historical movements of tectonic plates. Some assumptions about the relationships between crust age and plate dynamics remain unresolved.

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Looking at maps of the age of the seafloor, one can see a rough triangle in the Pacific near the Marianas Trench that represents the oldest area of the Pacific plate. Some maps mark the very oldest area as being roughly at the centre of this triangle. Upon seeing this I found myself asking how a point on a plate can be surrounded by younger material.

Looking at seafloor topography maps I also noticed the Hawaiian-Emperor seamount chain. I long known that the Hawaiian Islands are the result of the Pacific plate moving over a mantle hotspot, but the Emperor seamount chain is angle more northerly than the Hawaiian chain. To me this indicates that the Pacific plate's movement changed direction at some point. Some reading about the full seamount chain verifies this.

Going back to the Pacific "triangle", I concluded that the it is due to the changing directions of the Pacific plate. However, it seems to require that the plate's movement completely reversed at some point.

Is this even vaguely an accurate assessment of what happened? Or is there something significant that I am missing?

Thanks.
 
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You might find you get a better response if you post a picture showing what you mean.
 
Sorry. The map I was considering is on page 3 of "Age, spreading rates, and spreading asymmetry of the world’s ocean crust", published in "Geochemistry, Geophysics, Geosystems", 3 April, 2008. A pdf can be found at the following link:

http://www.earthbyte.org/people/dietmar/Pdf/Muller_etal_age_rate_asym_G3_2008.pdf
 
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Ostsol said:
Looking at maps of the age of the seafloor, one can see a rough triangle in the Pacific near the Marianas Trench that represents the oldest area of the Pacific plate. Some maps mark the very oldest area as being roughly at the centre of this triangle. Upon seeing this I found myself asking how a point on a plate can be surrounded by younger material.

Interesting ... something I hadnt noticed before
One thought I had was maybe that area was that that area was a pole of rotation (what is called a Stage Pole) at some time in the distant past, around which the crust rotated around during its march westwards.
You have to remember when that area seafloor crust formed, it was probably located many 1000's of km east or SE of where it currently is

Looking at seafloor topography maps I also noticed the Hawaiian-Emperor seamount chain. I long known that the Hawaiian Islands are the result of the Pacific plate moving over a mantle hotspot, but the Emperor seamount chain is angle more northerly than the Hawaiian chain. To me this indicates that the Pacific plate's movement changed direction at some point. Some reading about the full seamount chain verifies this.

Yes that's correct, the oldest recognised seamount age is ~ 81 million years ( that's a way up near the Aleutian Islands. The change in direction occurred ~ 47 million years ago.

So you can see that the seamount chain is substantially younger than the oldest Pacific seafloor which is ~ 280 million years in that area east of the Marianas.

Going back to the Pacific "triangle", I concluded that the it is due to the changing directions of the Pacific plate. However, it seems to require that the plate's movement completely reversed at some point.
Is this even vaguely an accurate assessment of what happened? Or is there something significant that I am missing?
Thanks.

Tis times like this I wish I was still at university so i could query my tectonics professors :)

cheers
Dave
 
Ostsol said:
Sorry. The map I was considering is on page 3 of "Age, spreading rates, and spreading asymmetry of the world’s ocean crust", published in "Geochemistry, Geophysics, Geosystems", 3 April, 2008. A pdf can be found at the following link:

http://www.earthbyte.org/people/dietmar/Pdf/Muller_etal_age_rate_asym_G3_2008.pdf

I don't know the answer of hand, but it occurs to me that looking at a reconstruction might shed some light on it. One could download the data quite easily and use a tool such as gplates from the earthbyte website: http://www.earthbyte.org/ to look at the area in detail.
 
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Whoa! I just watched the reconstruction using Gplates (I highly recommend downloading and playing around -- jump straight to the reconstructions tutorial!). Make sure to load the isochrons feature when you play the reconstruction.

You will see the triangle you were speaking of form as a point source, it evolves into a system of spreading ridges which more-or-less give birth to the whole Pacific ocean! It's pretty impressive.
 
Wow, that's a great program! It does indeed show that triangle as the progenitor of the entire Pacific plate. It still seems odd to me that it started by spreading out in all directions, though... It looks like a few older and long since subducted plates spread away from a single point and the Pacific plate grew out of the space left behind. Very interesting and thanks again!
 
Ok, looks like I was right. I managed to find a page that cites a paper ("Evolution of the western Pacific and its margin", Hilde et. al, 1976, published in Tectonophysics) stating that the plate formed at the junction between three older plates.
 

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