Red Light Cameras being abused again in FLA.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the use of red light cameras in Florida, focusing on their impact on traffic safety, revenue generation, and the physics of traffic signal timing. Participants explore various perspectives on how yellow light durations affect driver behavior and safety outcomes, as well as the implications of camera enforcement on legal and ethical grounds.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that cutting yellow light times increases revenue from red light cameras while decreasing safety, suggesting that longer yellow times could reduce violations.
  • Others propose that the misunderstanding of physics by traffic engineers leads to misapplied traffic signal timings, causing inadvertent red light violations.
  • One participant notes that most citations occur with left-turning vehicles at intersections with specific configurations, highlighting potential issues with camera placement and timing.
  • There are claims that the private company operating the cameras may have reduced yellow light durations below legal requirements, raising concerns about the legality and fairness of citations.
  • Some participants express frustration with the decision-making process when approaching yellow lights, indicating that not all drivers react the same way under pressure.
  • One viewpoint suggests that the perception of yellow lights varies among drivers, with some feeling compelled to speed up rather than stop, which can lead to dangerous situations.
  • Another participant mentions that studies indicate longer yellow times benefit most drivers, as they need to make quick judgments based on speed and distance to the light.
  • Concerns are raised about the prioritization of revenue generation over safety in the discussions surrounding red light cameras.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no clear consensus on the effectiveness or fairness of red light cameras. Disagreements exist regarding the interpretation of traffic signal timing, the role of driver behavior, and the motivations behind the implementation of these cameras.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various assumptions about driver behavior, the physics of traffic signals, and the legal implications of camera enforcement. There are unresolved questions about the adequacy of yellow light durations and the potential for misinterpretation of traffic laws.

  • #31
Evo said:
There's never a valid excuse for running a red light, I've never "accidently" run a red light. It's because when people see a yellow light, they think it means "keep going you fool, the light's about to turn red. I've seen people speed up trying to beat the light instead of stopping. I've stopped without a problem and the car that tried to outrun the light was a bit behind me in the other lane. I've seen near rear ends caused by people that stopped when the light turned yellow and the car behind assumed that they would keep driving.

An interesting point Evo, and wonder how it generally effects the situation below. (countdown timers at intersections)

The city of Ottawa has updated* some intersections with a countdown timer on the cross walk signal. Interestingly I find this helps greatly! In particular in poor weather conditions and stopping distance decreased.

Less wordy, I find my self sometimes starting to brake even when the light is green, knowing the cycle is about to change by the time I get to the intersection.

*for all I know these have been used in the states for years.
 
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So far I have only seen countdown lights at pedestrian crossings in this country.
 

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