# Red-shift question from another thread.

1. Sep 8, 2013

### Jufro

1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
This is not a HW questions but from another thread.

The statement I made was that if z increases for a source, then it is accelerating away. Or, it could that if z is constant then the sources moves with constant velocity away from an observer.

I just need to know where my logic is breaking down and what direction I can try to find the right answer.

2. Relevant equations

I took the equation:
1+z = $\sqrt{\frac{1+v/c}{1-v/c}}$

3. The attempt at a solution

So taking d/dt on both sides I end up with:

dz/dt = 1/2 $\frac{1+v/c}{1-v/c}-1/2$*$\frac{(1/c dv/dt)*(1-v/c)-(1/c dv/dt)*(1+v/c)}{(1-v/c)2}$

Re-writting this:

dz/dt= $\frac{-v* dv/dt}{c2*(z+1)*(1-v/c)2}$

Since the first term is negative (from the minus sign) and v is positive, then a positive dz/dt would require that dv/dt is negative or that the sources acceleration is radially inward when I had suspected outward.

This may be a result of me using the flat-spacetime (Minkowski metric) but I am not sure. Can anyone point me in the right direction.

2. Sep 8, 2013

### vela

Staff Emeritus
You dropped a sign when you applied the quotient rule. The numerator should end up as a sum, not a difference.

3. Sep 8, 2013

### Jufro

Ah, I used the wrong derivative in the second half of my quotient rule. Thanks for that.