Redox Reactions: Sulphuric Acid as an Oxidizing Agent

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the role of sulfuric acid as an oxidizing agent in various chemical reactions. Participants explore the concept of redox reactions, specifically focusing on oxidation numbers and their implications for determining whether sulfuric acid acts as an oxidizing agent in given reactions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a question regarding which reactions demonstrate sulfuric acid acting as an oxidizing agent.
  • Another participant suggests assigning oxidation numbers to elements in the reactions to identify redox processes, indicating that a change in oxidation numbers signifies a redox reaction.
  • A participant attempts to analyze the oxidation numbers in one of the reactions but concludes that the sums on both sides are equal, suggesting no redox reaction occurs.
  • Another participant corrects the oxidation number assignment for oxygen and emphasizes that oxidation numbers are properties of individual atoms, not groups of atoms.
  • There is a discussion about the necessity of comparing individual oxidation numbers rather than just the sums to determine if a redox reaction has occurred.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the oxidation number of sulfur in sulfuric acid and seeks clarification on the rules for assigning oxidation numbers.
  • Another participant explains the calculation of oxidation numbers in sulfuric acid, reiterating that the sum must equal zero for a neutral molecule and clarifying the misunderstanding about assigning oxidation numbers to groups of atoms.
  • A participant expresses appreciation for the explanations and acknowledges their self-directed learning approach.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the specific reactions in which sulfuric acid acts as an oxidizing agent. There is ongoing debate regarding the assignment of oxidation numbers and the criteria for identifying redox reactions.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of understanding oxidation numbers and their changes in the context of redox reactions. There are unresolved questions about the application of these concepts to the specific reactions presented.

chmate
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Hi there,

I have some trouble understanding redox reactions. Here is the question:

Sulphuric acid is one of the strongest inorganic acides which in some reaction shows oxidation properties. In which of reactions below, sulphuric acid acts as oxidating tool?

A.[tex] \text{H}_2{SO}_4 + \text{CaCO}_3 \rightarrow \text{CaSO}_4 + \text{CO}_2 + \text{H}_2{O}[/tex]
B.[tex] 2 \text{H}_2{SO}_4 + \text{Cu} \rightarrow \text{CuSO}_4 + \text{SO}_2 + 2 \text{H}_2{O}[/tex]
C.[tex] \text{H}_2{SO}_4 + \text{BaCO}_3 \rightarrow \text{BaSO}_4 + \text{CO}_2 + \text{H}_2{O}[/tex]
D.[tex] \text{H}_2{SO}_4 + \text{Ca(OH)}_2 \rightarrow \text{CaSO}_4 + 2 \text{H}_2{O} [/tex]

Thank you.
 
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Hi Borek,

I tried first this way:

[tex] <br /> \text{H}_2{SO}_4 + \text{CaCO}_3 \rightarrow \text{CaSO}_4 + \text{CO}_2 + \text{H}_2{O}<br /> [/tex]

ON THE LEFT SIDE:

For [tex]\text{H}_2{SO}_4[/tex] (oxidation numbers are: H is +1, S is +6 and O4 -8)
For [tex]\text{CaCO}_3[/tex] (oxidation numbers are: Ca is +2, C is +4, O3 is -6)

ON THE RIGHT SIDE:

For [tex]\text{Ca}_2{SO}_4[/tex] (oxidation numbers are: Ca is +2, S is +6 and O4 -8)
For [tex]\text{CO}_2[/tex] (oxidation numbers are: C is +4, O2 is -4)
For [tex]\text{H}_2{O}[/tex] (oxidation numbers are: H2 is +2, O is -2)

So what changed, the sum of oxidation numbers on left is equal with ox. numbers on right side so we don't have an redox reaction? Am I right?

Thank you.
 
chmate said:
For [tex]\text{H}_2{SO}_4[/tex] (oxidation numbers are: H is +1, S is +6 and O4 -8)

H&S are OK, but you should not assign -8 to O4 - but -2 to O. Oxidation number is a property of an inividual atom (note: this is not a real property, this is just a useful way of dealing with th eproblem, ON doesn't exist and can't be measured in the real world).

So what changed, the sum of oxidation numbers on left is equal with ox. numbers on right side so we don't have an redox reaction? Am I right?

No, comparing sum of oxidation numbers is not enough to conclude there were no redox reaction taking place. For that you have to compare oxidation numbers of individual atoms. Take S for example - +6 on the left, +6 on the right, so it was neither oxidized not reduced. Do the same comparison for all other atoms.

For properly balanced reaction equation sums of ON on both sides will be always equal.
 
So it doesn't matter how atoms has O, oxidation number is always -2. This rule appears for all other elements right?

So for O4, O3, and O2, we have -2, what am I going to do for H2SO4, because H2 is +2 and O4 -2, so S is not going to have any oxidation number?

I would be very happy if you do first for me and give a conclusion and then i would study it and maybe understand it.

Thanks again.

Btw, sulphuric acid acts as oxidating tool if number of electrons on right side is less?
 
chmate said:
So it doesn't matter how atoms has O, oxidation number is always -2.

Ignoring elemental oxygen (O2 with oxidation number 0) and peroxides (ON -1) - yes.

This rule appears for all other elements right?

So for O4, O3, and O2, we have -2, what am I going to do for H2SO4, because H2 is +2 and O4 -2, so S is not going to have any oxidation number?

Honestly, I don't understand what you wrote, so I will just explain details not adressing your question directly.

Lat's take a look at H2SO4. Sum of ON must be zero, because the molecule is neutral.

Hydrogen in most compounds is +1, oxygen is -2.

What is ON of S? Molecule is neutral so sum of all oxidation numbers is

2*(+1) + ONS + 4*(-2) = 0

Note, that 4*(-2) - sum of oxidation numbers of oxygen - is -8. That's the same number you wrote earlier, you just should not assign it to O4, as it suggests you are making a mistake (and not a rare one). It is not O4 being -8, but 4 individual O's being -8 in total.

In the first case S is +6 on boths isdes, H is +1, O is -2, Ca is +2 and C is +4 - so neither oxidation number changes. No redox reaction.

IMHO you are on the right track from the very beginning, just your thinking needs some fine tuning :wink:
 
Borek, (it means "pie" in my language), thanks for the answer. I am just a type of autodidact, (i left school) so I'm just trying to get some things right. (Including tuning of my thinking).

Thank you again. :)
 

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