Redshift as a distance indicator

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The discussion revolves around the use of redshift as a distance indicator in cosmology, exploring its reliability and the necessity of other methods like the distance ladder and supernovae (SN) for measuring cosmic distances. The conversation touches on theoretical implications and practical applications in observational astronomy.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that redshift can be used as a definitive distance indicator for all distances, questioning the need for the distance ladder.
  • Another participant explains that the distance ladder is necessary to establish the conversion factor between redshift and distance, specifically mentioning Hubble's constant.
  • It is noted that for nearby objects, Hubble's law may not hold true if their velocity is influenced by relative motion rather than universal expansion.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of independent corroborations to validate distance indicators, suggesting that current methods yield consistent results.
  • A question is raised about the reliance on other methods, such as supernovae, for long distances due to uncertainties in Hubble's constant.
  • Another participant clarifies that supernovae are used to determine Hubble's constant itself.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the sufficiency of redshift as a distance indicator, with some advocating for its use while others highlight the need for additional methods and the implications of uncertainties in Hubble's constant. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the definitive role of redshift in distance measurement.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the limitations of using redshift alone as a distance indicator, particularly in relation to the uncertainties surrounding Hubble's constant and the conditions under which Hubble's law applies.

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Surely it is possible to take a spectrum, deduce the redshift, then use this as a definitive distance indicator for all distances.

Why is it we use the distance ladder?
 
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The distance ladder was used to get the conversion factor between redshift and distance - Hubble's constant.

Also for nearer objects hubble's law isn't necessarily true if enough of their velocity is due to relative motion rather than the universe expanding.
 
We need independent corroborations to test distance indicators. We must be doing something right as all are pretty consistent one to the other.
 
So for long distances, do we only use other methods (e.g SN) because of the uncertainty in Hubble's constant?
 
No we use SN to get Hubble's constant.
 

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