Reduced homology of sphere cross reals?

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of reduced homology groups for the product of an n-sphere with the real line, specifically addressing the implications of the generalized Jordan curve theorem and the dimensionality of the resulting space.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the reduced homology of \( S^n \times \mathbb{R} \), noting that their reference material suggests it is zero except for the n-th homology group being \( \mathbb{Z} \).
  • Another participant asserts that \( H_{n+1}(S^n \times \mathbb{R}, \mathbb{Z}) = 0 \) because \( \mathbb{R} \) is contractible.
  • A participant reiterates the question of dimensionality, suggesting that since \( S^n \times \mathbb{R} \) has dimension \( n+1 \), it should imply the existence of a non-zero \( (n+1) \)-th homology group, questioning if this holds only for closed manifolds.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the homotopy of \( S^n \times \mathbb{R} \) into itself, indicating a deformation onto \( S^n \) while keeping \( S^n \) fixed.
  • Another participant mentions the conditions of orientability and closure in the context of manifolds.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of dimensionality for homology groups, with some asserting that the contractibility of \( \mathbb{R} \) leads to specific results, while others question the applicability of these results to non-closed manifolds. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views present.

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There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the nature of the manifolds involved and the definitions of homology groups, particularly in relation to closed versus non-closed cases.

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tex doesn't seem to be working right...sry for the notation.

Working through of a proof of the generalized jordan curve theorem. Keep getting stuck on calculating the reduced homology of S^n by R, (ie n-sphere cross the real line).


My book (hatcher) seems to imply its 0 except the n^th homology is Z.

But doesn't S^n cross R have dimension n+1? And shouldn't this imply the (n+1)th homology group is Z? Or is this only true of closed manifolds?

Any thoughts would be appreciated.
 
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H_{n+1}(S^n\times\mathbb{R},\mathbb{Z}) = 0 because \mathbb{R} is contractible.
 
redbowlover said:
tex doesn't seem to be working right...sry for the notation.

Working through of a proof of the generalized jordan curve theorem. Keep getting stuck on calculating the reduced homology of S^n by R, (ie n-sphere cross the real line).


My book (hatcher) seems to imply its 0 except the n^th homology is Z.

But doesn't S^n cross R have dimension n+1? And shouldn't this imply the (n+1)th homology group is Z? Or is this only true of closed manifolds?

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

the homotopy of S^n x R into itself defined by ((s,r),t) -> (s,rt) deforms S^n x R onto S^n
keeping S^n fixed.
 
redbowlover said:
But doesn't S^n cross R have dimension n+1? And shouldn't this imply the (n+1)th homology group is Z? Or is this only true of closed manifolds?

Orientable and closed, in the manifold case.
 

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