Reflection Matrices: Find Components of R

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical representation of reflection matrices, specifically how to express the reflection of a vector in a line defined by a unit vector. Participants explore the formulation of the reflection equation and the derivation of the corresponding matrix components.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states the reflection formula as w = 2 (u^.v)u^ - v and seeks to express this in the form w = Rv to find the matrix R.
  • Another participant suggests a different form of the reflection formula, indicating a potential misunderstanding regarding the direction of the vectors involved.
  • A participant confirms their original formula and provides a substitution that leads to a specific expression for w in terms of the components of u and v.
  • Further elaboration on the substitution leads to a matrix representation of the reflection operation, detailing the components of the resulting matrix.
  • There is a clarification regarding the context of the reflection formula, distinguishing between reflection in a line versus reflection in a hyperplane.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct formulation of the reflection equation, indicating that multiple competing interpretations exist. The discussion remains unresolved regarding which formula is appropriate for the given context.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of the direction of the vectors and how this affects the formulation of the reflection matrix. There are indications of potential confusion regarding the definitions and contexts of the reflection formulas being discussed.

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Hi there,

I've got a unit vector u^, arbitrary vector v, and a vector w which is the reflection of v in a line in the direction of u. I have already proved that w= 2 (u^.v)u^ - v. However, the next part of my question asks me to write w= Rv and find the components of the matrix R, taking the components of u^ as (u_1, u_2) and likewise with v. I've done questions like these before but I'm not really sure how to do this one. Any help would be much appreciated!
 
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Ciaran said:
Hi there,

I've got a unit vector u^, arbitrary vector v, and a vector w which is the reflection of v in a line in the direction of u. I have already proved that w= 2 (u^.v)u^ - v. However, the next part of my question asks me to write w= Rv and find the components of the matrix R, taking the components of u^ as (u_1, u_2) and likewise with v. I've done questions like these before but I'm not really sure how to do this one. Any help would be much appreciated!

Hi Ciaran! Welcome to MHB! :)

I suspect that your formula should be:
$$\mathbf w = \mathbf v - 2(\mathbf{\hat u} \cdot \mathbf v)\mathbf{\hat u}$$

Suppose we simply substitute $\mathbf{\hat u}=(u_1,u_2)$ and $\mathbf v=(v_1,v_2)$ and simplify a bit.
What is then the result? (Wondering)
 
Thanks for your reply- the formula is indeed as I stated in the question; I rechecked my question paper. I think the reason it is different to what you thought it may be is due to the way the vectors are pointing?
When substituting, I got w= 2(u1v1+u2v2) (u1,u2)- (v1,v2). I apologise for the way it is typed; I've still to learn how to use the software!
 
Ciaran said:
When substituting, I got w= 2(u1v1+u2v2) (u1,u2)- (v1,v2).
Now represent this as
\[
\begin{pmatrix}w_1\\w_2\end{pmatrix}=
\begin{pmatrix}
2(u_1v_1+u_2v_2)u_1-v_1\\
2(u_1v_1+u_2v_2)u_2-v_2
\end{pmatrix}=
\begin{pmatrix}
2u_1^2-1&2u_1u_2\\
2u_1u_2 & 2u_2^2-1
\end{pmatrix}
\begin{pmatrix}v_1\\v_2\end{pmatrix}.
\]
 
Ciaran said:
Thanks for your reply- the formula is indeed as I stated in the question; I rechecked my question paper. I think the reason it is different to what you thought it may be is due to the way the vectors are pointing?

Ah, I see it now.
The formula I mentioned is for reflection in a (hyper)space that has $\mathbf{\hat u}$ as its normal vector.
Your formula is for reflection in the line with the direction $\mathbf{\hat u}$.
When substituting, I got w= 2(u1v1+u2v2) (u1,u2)- (v1,v2). I apologise for the way it is typed; I've still to learn how to use the software!

No sweat.
If you're interested, click Reply With Quote on any of our posts to see how it is done.
Basically, it's just a matter of putting your formula between [math]...[/math] or \$...\$ tags.
 

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