Reformulating the Hamilton-Jacobi equation: A step-by-step guide

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The discussion focuses on the Hamilton-Jacobi equation and its reformulation. Participants explore the mathematical steps required to rearrange the equation into a specific form involving the gradient and potential energy, with an emphasis on separation of variables.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the Hamilton-Jacobi equation and expresses confusion about rearranging it to the form |\nabla W| = \sqrt{2m(E-V).
  • Another participant suggests a separation of variables approach, proposing W(t,x,y,z) = -E t + W(x,y,z).
  • A subsequent reply reiterates the separation of variables but corrects a notation error regarding the time variable.
  • A later response confirms that the separation of variables is standard practice when the Hamiltonian is time-independent.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the specific steps for rearranging the Hamilton-Jacobi equation, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the derivation process.

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The discussion does not clarify all assumptions involved in the separation of variables or the conditions under which the Hamiltonian is considered time-independent.

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The Hamilton-Jacobi equation

[tex]\frac{\partial W}{\partial t}+\frac{1}{2m}\left[\left(\frac{\partial W}{\partial x}\right)^2+\left(\frac{\partial W}{\partial y}\right)^2+\left(\frac{\partial W}{\partial z}\right)^2\right] + V(x,y,z) = 0[/tex]

It is said that this can be re-formulated as [tex]|\nabla W| = \sqrt{2m(E-V)}[/tex].

This part is unclear. How do I rearrange the equation to fit that equation? I know the [tex]\nabla[/tex] is the gradient expressing the three dimensional rectangular coordinates, but I am unsure as to how to rearrange the formula completely so a derivation step-by-step would be appreciated.

Thanks
 
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I think one makes a separation

[tex]W(t,x,y,z) = -E t + W(x,y,z)[/tex]
 
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dextercioby said:
I think one makes a separation

[tex]W(t,x,y,z,t) = -E t + W(x,y,z)[/tex]

You have the time notation twice in the first parenthesis. Did you mean this?
 
Sorry, it's been corrected now. The separation is standard if the Hamiltonian is time-independent.
 
Ok thank you.
 

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