Regarding dominated convergence theorem in Folland

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The discussion centers on the Dominated Convergence Theorem as presented in Folland's work, particularly focusing on the assumptions regarding the completeness of the measure and the implications for the measurability of functions involved. Participants explore interpretations of the theorem's proof and the related propositions regarding measurable functions in the context of potentially incomplete measures.

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  • One participant interprets Folland's statement as assuming that the sequence ##\{f_n\}## is in ##L^1(\overline{\mu})##, leading to the conclusion that ##f## is measurable by Proposition 2.11b, under the assumption of measure completeness.
  • Another participant argues that the measure ##\mu## is not assumed to be complete and suggests that the convergence of ##f_n## to ##f## almost everywhere allows for ##f## to be measurable with respect to the completion of the measure, as per Proposition 2.11.
  • Some participants express confusion about the implications of Proposition 2.11b, noting that it guarantees measurability only if the measure is complete, which Folland does not explicitly state.
  • A later reply points out that Proposition 2.12 indicates that for questions regarding ##L^1##, it is acceptable to work with either the original measure or its completion, suggesting that completeness may not be a necessary assumption.
  • One participant mentions a technical issue with displaying LaTeX in certain browsers, which may affect readability for some users.

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Participants express differing interpretations regarding the completeness of the measure and its implications for the proof of the Dominated Convergence Theorem. No consensus is reached on whether the measure is assumed to be complete or not, and the discussion remains unresolved.

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Participants highlight the importance of the completeness of the measure in relation to the propositions discussed, indicating that the assumptions made may influence the conclusions drawn about the measurability of the functions involved.

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I am stuck at the very first sentence in the proof of Folland's version of the dominated convergence theorem. The wording confuses me and I'm not sure if he assumes the measure to be complete and the limiting function to be measurable.
The Dominated Convergence Theorem. Let ##\{f_n\}## be a sequence in ##L^1## such that (a) ##f_n\to f## a.e., and (b) there exists a nonnegative ##g\in L^1## such that ##|f_n|\leq g## a.e. for all ##n##. Then ##f\in L^1## and ##\int f=\lim\int f_n##.

Proof. ##f## is measurable (perhaps after redefinition on a null set) by Prop. 2.11 and 2.12, and since ##|f|\leq g## a.e., we have ##f\in L^1##. ...

That's the first sentence in the proof. Prior to this Folland mentions the spaces ##L^1(\overline{\mu})## and ##L^1(\mu)## and how "we can (and shall) identify these spaces." (here ##\overline{\mu}## is the completion of ##\mu##). The propositions mentioned in the proof read as follows:

Proposition. 2.11. The following implications are valid iff the measure ##\mu## is complete:
a) If ##f## is measurable and ##f=g## ##\mu##-a.e., then ##g## is measurable.
b) If ##f_n## is measurable for ##n\in\mathbb N## and ##f_n\to f## ##\mu##-a.e., then ##f## is measurable.

Proposition. 2.12. Let ##(X, \mathcal M,m)## be a measure space and let ##(X,\overline{\mathcal M} ,\overline \mu)## be its completion. If ##f## is an ##\overline{\mathcal M}##-measurable function on ##X##, there is an ##\mathcal M##-measurable function ##g## such that ##f=g## ##\overline{\mu}##-almost everywhere.

I'm really confused by Folland's first sentence in the proof of the dominated convergence theorem. My interpretation of Folland's theorem and first sentence is that he assumes ##\{f_n\}\subset L^1(\overline{\mu})##, so by Prop. 2.11b ##f## is measurable. Now by Prop. 2.12, i.e. by redefinition on a null set, we can find ##f_0\in L^1(\mu)## such that $f=f_0$ a.e. Does this make sense to you? My interpretation assumes the measure to be complete; I don't see otherwise why he'd refer to Proposition. 2.11.

Grateful for any thoughts or comments.
 
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Here's an alternative interpretation, which I think is the correct one.

The measure ##\mu## is not assumed to be complete. As for the measurability of ##f##; we know that ##f_n## converge to ##f## ##\mu##-almost everywhere. Consider temporarily the completion of your ##\sigma##-algebra and measure. The ##f_n##'s are measurable with respect to that completion, and still converge ##\overline{\mu}##-a.e to ##f##. This is because if a function is measurable with respect to some ##\sigma##-algebra, then also with respect to any larger ##\sigma##-algebra (also, ##\{x:f_n(x)\not\to f(x)\}## is still a ##\overline{\mu}##-null set). By Proposition 2.11, ##f## is measurable with respect to the complete ##\sigma##-algebra. By Proposition 2.12, ##f## is equal ##\overline{\mu}##-a.e. to a function that's measurable with respect to the incomplete ##\sigma##-algebra (and we agree to denote that measurable function by ##f##, which is what Folland means by redefining ##f## on a null set).
 
I'm not sure I understand your concerns. 2.11(b) makes ##f## measurable and ##|f|<g## guarantees ##\int |f|<\int g<\infty .##
 
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fresh_42 said:
I'm not sure I understand your concerns. 2.11(b) makes ##f## measurable and ##|f|<g## guarantees ##\int |f|<\int g<\infty .##
2.11b makes ##f## measurable provided the measure is complete, but Folland does not state the measure is complete.
 
FYI, my Firefox browser is not displaying the Latex overline. My Chrome and Microsoft Edge browsers display it properly. Readers might want to not use Firefox for this thread.
 
2.12 says that in questions about ##L^1## it doesn't matter if you work with the given measure or its completion. So assume the measure is complete.
 
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