Regorous and formal proof of (-1).x =-x

  • Thread starter evagelos
  • Start date
  • Tags
    Proof
In summary, the conversation revolves around the concept of a formal proof and the question of what it means. It is mentioned that a true formal proof would require an entire book and that the number of pages needed to prove "1+1=2" was 360. The conversation also discusses the importance of practice and the use of axiomatic systems in formal proofs. Finally, the steps for a rigorous proof of (-1)x = -x are given using the defined axioms.
  • #1
evagelos
315
0
Give a rigorous and then a formal proof of the theorem :

[tex]\forall x [ (-1).x = -x ][/tex]
 
Physics news on Phys.org
  • #2
Hint: (-1).x = -x means that (-1).x + x = 0
This should be in a homework forum
 
  • #3
mXSCNT said:
Hint: (-1).x = -x means that (-1).x + x = 0
This should be in a homework forum

Meaning that formal proofs are homework stuf??
 
  • #4
Once again, we return to the question, "What do you mean by 'formal proof'?"

I think you are just talking about the kind of proof you would find in a math paper or calculus book- far from what, say, logicians would mean by "formal proof". A true "formal proof" of such a thing would probably require an entire book! How many pages did Russel and Whitehead require to prove "1+ 1= 2"?

Another question: what algebraic system are you working in? The proof for an abstract ring or integral domain would be quite different than for the real numbers.

MXSCNT's point is that the only good reason for doing such "fiddly" stuff is practise: homework.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
  • #5
It would be something like:

0.x = 0
(-1+1).x = 0
-1.x + 1.x = 0
-1.x + x = 0
-1.x = -x
 
  • #6
HallsofIvy said:
Once again, we return to the question, "What do you mean by 'formal proof'?"

The definition was given in another thread by tgt and is the following:

tgt said:
I would mean the kind that most people (at least all the logicians) would regard as formal.

A formal proof or derivation is a finite sequence of sentences (called well-formed formulas in the case of a formal language) each of which is an axiom or follows from the preceding sentences in the sequence by a rule of inference. The last sentence in the sequence is a theorem of a formal system.

.

With the only difference that i may add:

each formula could be, apart from axiom, a theorem or definition


HallsofIvy said:
I think you are just talking about the kind of proof you would find in a math paper or calculus book- far from what, say, logicians would mean by "formal proof". A true "formal proof" of such a thing would probably require an entire book! How many pages did Russel and Whitehead require to prove "1+ 1= 2"?

Go to pages 121 to 139 in ANGELO'S MARGARIS book :

FIRST ORDER MATHEMATICAL LOGIC.There you will find many true "formal proofs" not more than half a page long

You know how many books you need before you double integrate a function ,or write a proof in analysis??

HallsofIvy said:
Another question: what algebraic system are you working in? The proof for an abstract ring or integral domain would be quite different than for the real numbers.

MXSCNT's point is that the only good reason for doing such "fiddly" stuff is practise: homework.

On the following axiomatic system i will base any formal or rigorous proofs:

The primitive symbols are:
= for equality
+ for addition
. for multiplication
- for the inverse in addition
0 constant
1 constant
/ for inverse in multiplication

[tex] 1\neq 0[/tex]
AND the axioms are:

1) [tex]\forall a\forall b[ a+b = b+a]...\forall a\forall b[ a.b = b.a ][/tex]

2)[tex]\forall a\forall b\forall c[ a+(b+c) = (a+b)+c]...\forall a\forall b\forall c[ a(bc)=(ab)c][/tex]


3)[tex]\forall a[ a+0 = a]...\forall a[ 1.a =a][/tex]


4) [tex]\forall a[ a+(-a) = 0]...\forall a[ a\neq 0\Longrightarrow a.\frac{1}{a} = 1]
[/tex].



5)[tex]\forall a\forall b\forall c [ a(b+c) = ab + ac][/tex]


AND now the rigorous proof of (-1)x = -x



(-1)x = (-1)x + 0 =............by axiom 3 (for addition)

=(-1)x +[ x + (-x)]=............by axiom 4 (for addition)

=[(-1)x +x] + (-x) =............by axiom 2 (for addition)

=[(-1)x + 1x] + (-x)=............by axiom 3 (for multiplication)


=[x.1 + x(-1)] + (-x)=............by axiom 1 ( for addition and multiplication)


=[ x( 1 + (-1))] + (-x)=...........by axiom 5


= x.0 + (-x) = ...............by axiom 4 (for addition)


= 0 + (-x) =.............by the theorem 0.x = 0


= -x ...............by axiom 4 (for addition)

Next post the formal proof
 
  • #7
Sounds like homework to me.
 
  • #8
HallsofIvy said:
How many pages did Russel and Whitehead require to prove "1+ 1= 2"?

360. But it's complicated only if you're trying to prove that equation under R or C; if you restrict yourself to Peano arithmetic it follows from the definition of 2 and the symmetry of equality.
 

1. What is a rigorous and formal proof?

A rigorous and formal proof is a logical and systematic way of demonstrating the truth or validity of a statement or theorem. It involves using established mathematical principles and rules of logic to show that a statement is true in all cases.

2. What is (-1).x?

(-1).x is a mathematical expression that represents the product of -1 and x. In other words, it is the result of multiplying -1 by a number or variable x.

3. Why is it important to prove that (-1).x = -x?

It is important to prove that (-1).x = -x because it is a fundamental property of multiplication and serves as the basis for many other mathematical concepts. Additionally, being able to prove this statement allows us to confidently use it in other mathematical proofs and calculations.

4. How is the proof of (-1).x = -x typically presented?

The proof of (-1).x = -x is typically presented using the laws and properties of algebra. It often involves manipulating and rearranging equations to show that the two expressions are equal.

5. Can you provide an example of a rigorous and formal proof of (-1).x = -x?

Yes, here is an example of a rigorous and formal proof of (-1).x = -x:
Proof:
(-1).x = (-1) * x                                            [Using the definition of multiplication]
= -(1 * x)                                        [Using the distributive property]
= -x                                         [Using the identity property of multiplication]
Therefore, (-1).x = -x, as required.

Similar threads

  • Set Theory, Logic, Probability, Statistics
Replies
5
Views
233
  • Set Theory, Logic, Probability, Statistics
Replies
3
Views
1K
  • Set Theory, Logic, Probability, Statistics
Replies
8
Views
1K
  • Set Theory, Logic, Probability, Statistics
Replies
15
Views
999
  • Calculus and Beyond Homework Help
Replies
7
Views
410
  • Set Theory, Logic, Probability, Statistics
Replies
10
Views
2K
  • Set Theory, Logic, Probability, Statistics
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • Set Theory, Logic, Probability, Statistics
2
Replies
40
Views
6K
  • Set Theory, Logic, Probability, Statistics
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • Set Theory, Logic, Probability, Statistics
Replies
13
Views
2K
Back
Top