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Give a rigorous and then a formal proof of the theorem :
[tex]\forall x [ (-1).x = -x ][/tex]
[tex]\forall x [ (-1).x = -x ][/tex]
The discussion centers around the request for a rigorous and formal proof of the theorem stating that for all x, (-1).x = -x. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and proof techniques, with participants exploring definitions and contexts for formal proofs.
Participants do not reach a consensus on the definition of "formal proof" or the appropriate context for the proof. Multiple competing views on the nature of formal proofs and their requirements remain evident throughout the discussion.
Participants highlight the importance of specifying the algebraic system in use, as this may significantly affect the proof's structure and validity. There are also unresolved questions regarding the depth and rigor expected in formal proofs.
mXSCNT said:Hint: (-1).x = -x means that (-1).x + x = 0
This should be in a homework forum
HallsofIvy said:Once again, we return to the question, "What do you mean by 'formal proof'?"
tgt said:I would mean the kind that most people (at least all the logicians) would regard as formal.
A formal proof or derivation is a finite sequence of sentences (called well-formed formulas in the case of a formal language) each of which is an axiom or follows from the preceding sentences in the sequence by a rule of inference. The last sentence in the sequence is a theorem of a formal system.
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HallsofIvy said:I think you are just talking about the kind of proof you would find in a math paper or calculus book- far from what, say, logicians would mean by "formal proof". A true "formal proof" of such a thing would probably require an entire book! How many pages did Russel and Whitehead require to prove "1+ 1= 2"?
HallsofIvy said:Another question: what algebraic system are you working in? The proof for an abstract ring or integral domain would be quite different than for the real numbers.
MXSCNT's point is that the only good reason for doing such "fiddly" stuff is practise: homework.
HallsofIvy said:How many pages did Russel and Whitehead require to prove "1+ 1= 2"?