Relate rotational kinetic energy to potential energy

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This discussion revolves around relating rotational kinetic energy to potential energy in the context of a physics problem involving a bar transitioning from a horizontal to a vertical position. The subject area includes concepts of rotational dynamics and energy conservation.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between potential energy and the change in height of the bar, questioning why the change in height is considered as L/2 instead of L. There is discussion about the significance of the vertical position of different points along the bar and how this affects the calculation of potential energy.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants seeking clarification on the correct approach to determining the change in potential energy. Some guidance has been provided regarding the importance of considering the center of mass of the bar when calculating potential energy changes.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the constraints of the problem as outlined in the scoring guidelines, which specify the change in height relevant to the center of mass rather than the endpoints of the bar.

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Homework Statement


This problem is from the 2015 AP Physics C Mechanics free response, question 3 part b.
https://secure-media.collegeboard.org/digitalServices/pdf/ap/ap15_frq_physics_c-m.pdf
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Homework Equations


K = 1/2Iω2
U = mgh

The Attempt at a Solution


The potential energy of the bar when it's horizontal gets transferred to kinetic energy when vertical, so I originally had the equation mgL = 1/2(1/3ML22
However, the scoring guidelines say that the change in height should be L/2, not L, resulting in a potential energy of mgL/2. Could someone explain why the change in height should be L/2 and not L?
 
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The change in vertical position of the end of the bar is L. Is that the point that's important in the problem?
 
vela said:
The change in vertical position of the end of the bar is L. Is that the point that's important in the problem?
It asks for the velocity of the "free end of the rod", so I think that it means the end of the bar. But why does the answer sheet say L/2 then?
 
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Is that relevant to the change in potential energy of the rod? Why not use the position of the other end or a point 1/3 the way in from one end? I'm trying to get you to think about what point is important when you talk about the potential energy of the rod.
 
vela said:
Is that relevant to the change in potential energy of the rod? Why not use the position of the other end or a point 1/3 the way in from one end? I'm trying to get you to think about what point is important when you talk about the potential energy of the rod.
So I have to take the entire bar into account and not just the end...kind of like taking the "average" change in height for all pieces of the rod?
 
Yes. More precisely, the average position of the mass of the bar, i.e., the center of mass.
 
vela said:
Yes. More precisely, the average position of the mass of the bar, i.e., the center of mass.
Okay, that makes sense. Thanks for the help!
 

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