Relationship between activation energy and melting?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between activation energy and the states of matter, specifically focusing on how energy influences bonding in solids, liquids, and gases. Participants explore concepts from collision theory and the behavior of atoms at varying temperatures.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how increased energy can lead to both the formation and breaking of bonds, indicating a potential misunderstanding of activation energy.
  • Another participant suggests that while more energy can lead to increased bonding activity, it also results in faster rates of phase transitions from solid to liquid to gas.
  • A third participant clarifies that activation energy is primarily involved in breaking old bonds to allow for new bonds to form, rather than directly affecting the bonds themselves.
  • Further, it is noted that in solids, low thermal energy prevents bond breaking, whereas increased thermal energy leads to a liquid state where bonds are constantly being broken and reformed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of activation energy and the effects of temperature on bonding, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions about the relationship between energy levels and bonding states, as well as the definitions of activation energy and its role in different phases of matter.

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Hello. I know this is a dumb question but I am just learning chemistry.

Ok, for collision theory, atoms need a certain amount of energy to bond, because they need to break old bonds and form new ones. Makes sense

But, at high temperatures, things become gaseous. At low temperatures, things become solid.

Things become solid, aka more bonded together, at low temperature.

So...for activation energy, more energy is needed to create bonds. But, more energy also makes bonds break and become gases. So how is it that more energy = more bonds, but more energy also = less bonds? I was told that you can have more than enough activation energy and the bond will still occur. Does too much energy make it not possible to bond?

Clearly I know I am missing something here.
 
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Too much energy means you don't get solids, yes.

At surfaces between different phases of a substance, you constantly have some bonds breaking and others forming. With more energy, in general both rates increase, but the rates for solid->liquid->gas increase much faster than the rates in the opposite direction, so if you heat things up they tend to melt and boil.
 
CuriousBanker said:
for activation energy, more energy is needed to create bonds

Something doesn't sound right here. Activation energy is involved in the process of the bond creation, but mostly doesn't affect the bond itself.
 
CuriousBanker said:
Ok, for collision theory, atoms need a certain amount of energy to bond, because they need to break old bonds and form new ones. Makes sense
The key point here is that the activation energy is used to break old bonds in order for new bonds to form.

Think of it this way. In a solid, molecules stay bonded to the same neighbors because there is not enough thermal energy for these bonds to be broken. When there is more thermal energy available, the substance becomes a liquid where molecules are constantly breaking and re-forming bonds with their neighbors. Finally, when you have enough thermal energy to completely break any intermolecular bonds, you now have a gas.
 

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