Relationship between DEs and infinite series.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between differential equations (DEs) and infinite series solutions. Participants explore the conditions under which DEs can be solved using series methods, the limitations of such approaches, and specific examples of DEs that may or may not yield series solutions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that not all DEs have closed form solutions, and some may only have implicit solutions.
  • There is a suggestion that certain DEs can be solved using infinite series, but the method of arriving at such solutions varies depending on the type of DE.
  • One participant mentions the Frobenius method as a practical approach for solving second-order ODEs with specific properties.
  • It is proposed that some DEs may not have solutions at all, indicating limitations in the applicability of infinite series solutions.
  • A specific second-order DE is presented, prompting inquiries about potential methods for finding its solution.
  • Another participant suggests that the solutions to the presented DE may involve logarithms of modified Bessel functions and proposes a method involving the Frobenius approach, though they express uncertainty about the outcome.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that not all DEs can be solved with infinite series, and there are competing views on the applicability of specific methods like the Frobenius method. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific DE presented and its potential solutions.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations noted regarding the generalizability of methods for solving DEs, as the procedures depend on the type of equation and certain DEs may lack solutions altogether.

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Not all DEs have a closed form solution. Some DEs have an implicit solution only - you cannot algebraically solve one variable of interest for another.

I have seen on this forum people solving DEs in terms of infinite series. How does one arrive at such a solution, and can an implicit solution be converted somehow to an infinite series solution? Is it possible to solve any DE in terms of a single or multiple infinite series?
 
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For a practical example, one can solve second-order ODEs (with sufficiently nice properties) by using the Frobenius method. There's no general way of constructing a series solution to an arbitrary DE, the procedure depends on the type of the equation.

There are obviously DEs that have no solutions at all, so the answer to your last question would be a somewhat trivial no.
 
Know of any method for the following?
$$
\frac{d^2x}{dt^2} = 1 - \frac{1}{(1+x)^2} - (\frac{dx}{dt})^2
$$
 
By hand? Not in general, but in that specific case the solutions seem to be logarithms of modified Bessel functions, so I'd instinctively let y(x(t))=exp(x(t)) and try to solve the resulting equation with the Frobenius method (or just try to get the modified Bessel equation out). Haven't tried it through, so take this with a grain of salt.
 

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