Relationship between determinant and eigenvalues?

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The discussion revolves around finding the eigenvalues of a 4x4 matrix and exploring the relationship between these eigenvalues, the trace, and the determinant of the matrix.

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  • The original poster attempts to compute the eigenvalues and compares their sum and product with the trace and determinant, leading to questions about discrepancies. Some participants question the expected number of eigenvalues and the implications of complex eigenvalues on the trace.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's findings and raising questions about the nature of eigenvalues, particularly regarding complex conjugates and their relationship to real-valued traces. There is a recognition of the complexity of the topic, with some guidance provided on the properties of polynomials and eigenvalues.

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The original poster used a computer program to find eigenvalues, which may have influenced the interpretation of results. There is an ongoing discussion about the implications of having complex eigenvalues in relation to the trace of the matrix.

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Homework Statement



Find the eigenvalues of B = [5 2 0 2], [3 2 1 0], [3 1 -2 4], [2 4 -1 2]. Compute the sum and product of eigenvalues and compare it with the trace and determinant of the matrix.

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I get the characteristic polynomial x^4 -7x^3 - x^2 - 33x + 8. I used a computer program to solve it for 0 and got eigenvalues L1= 0.238 and L2= 7.673 roughly. Their sum is 7.911. Their product is 1.826. The trace of the matrix is 7. The determinant of the matrix is 8. The trace and the sum of the eigenvalues match up, approximately. The determinant and the product of the eigenvalues, however, don't. What am I doing wrong?
 
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You have a 4x4 matrix, shouldn't you be getting 4 eigenvalues? (the other two are complex)
 
gabbagabbahey said:
You have a 4x4 matrix, shouldn't you be getting 4 eigenvalues? (the other two are complex)

But when you add the real eigenvalues to the complex eigenvalues you'll get a complex answer, right? How can that end up equaling the trace of the matrix if the trace of the matrix is a real number?...Still confused about the relationships.
 
The two eigenvalues you get will always be complex conjugates. This is easy to see in general for real polynomials:

If [tex]f(x) = \sum_{i=0}^{n} a_i x^i[/tex] then (using * for conjugation)

[tex]f(x)* = (\sum_{i=0}^{n} a_i x^i)* = \sum_{i=0}^{n} (a_i x^i)* = \sum_{i=0}^{n} a_i* x^i* = \sum_{i=0}^{n} a_i (x*)^i = f(x*)[/tex]

noting the coefficients are real. So if f(x) = 0, f(x*) = 0
 
Office_Shredder said:
The two eigenvalues you get will always be complex conjugates. This is easy to see in general for real polynomials:

If [tex]f(x) = \sum_{i=0}^{n} a_i x^i[/tex] then (using * for conjugation)

[tex]f(x)* = (\sum_{i=0}^{n} a_i x^i)* = \sum_{i=0}^{n} (a_i x^i)* = \sum_{i=0}^{n} a_i* x^i* = \sum_{i=0}^{n} a_i (x*)^i = f(x*)[/tex]

noting the coefficients are real. So if f(x) = 0, f(x*) = 0

Oh! I see. Thanks for everyone's help.
 
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