Relationship between the derivative of f and the derivative of f inverse

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between the derivatives of a function and its inverse, specifically exploring how to correctly express the derivative of the inverse function in relation to the original function's derivative. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and conceptual clarification.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that the derivative of the inverse function is the reciprocal of the derivative of the original function, citing the reflection property of the inverse about the line y=x.
  • Another participant challenges this by stating that the derivative of the inverse is a function of y, not x, suggesting that the original claim does not account for this distinction.
  • A further reply emphasizes that while the tangent line remains the same, the slope changes because it involves the rate of change of x with respect to y, indicating a misunderstanding in treating both functions as dependent on the same variable.
  • One participant proposes a more accurate formulation for the derivative of the inverse, suggesting that it should be expressed in terms of the derivative of the original function evaluated at the appropriate point.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the correct formulation of the derivative of the inverse function, with multiple competing views on how to properly relate it to the derivative of the original function.

Contextual Notes

There is an unresolved discussion regarding the assumptions about the variables involved in the derivatives and the implications of treating them as functions of different variables.

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Since [tex]f^{-1}[/tex] is a reflection of [tex]f[/tex] about the line y=x, we can say that the derivative (slope of tangent at any point) of [tex]f^{-1}[/tex] is the reciprocal of the derivative of [tex]f[/tex].

Now suppose [tex]y=x^3+2x^2+4[/tex]

so that [tex]\frac{dy}{dx} = 3x^2+4x[/tex]

But then why am I wrong in saying that [tex]( f^{-1} )'(x) = \frac{1}{ \frac{dy}{dx} } = \frac{1}{3x^2+4x}?[/tex]
 
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Because the inverse's derivative is a function of y, not x.
 
JSuarez said:
Because the inverse's derivative is a function of y, not x.

But if we look at the curve of the inverse, we'll see that to find the tangent at any point on the curve, we'll have to replace x with with that point. I mean, the tangent is still dy/dx, because the axes are the same: y and x.
 
The tangent line will be the same, but its slope will change, because now you calculate the rate of change of x wrt y.

When you wrote your formula, you treated both f^-1 and y as a function of the same variable x (or to be more accurate, functions of the same range), while it's not true.

To deliver this notion via the formula it's more accurate to write:[tex]\frac{d}{dy}f^{-1}(y)|_{y=y_{0}}=(\frac{d}{dx}f(x))^{-1}|_{x=f^{-1}(y_{0})}[/tex]
 

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