Relationship between vertex function and current

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The discussion centers on the relationship between the vertex function and the current in quantum field theory, particularly in the context of interacting fields. Participants explore the implications of a specific equation relating the vertex function to a time-ordered product involving the current and fermionic fields, examining its validity in both free-field and interacting cases.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the proof or reasoning behind the relationship between the vertex function and the current, particularly in the interacting case.
  • Another participant proposes using the equation as a definition of the vertex function, noting that it leads to an infinite perturbation series for measurable quantities and emphasizes the use of bare propagators on the left-hand side.
  • A later reply challenges the irreducibility of the right-hand side of the equation, suggesting that it sums all diagrams with two electrons and a photon, potentially including reducible diagrams.
  • Another participant agrees that the expression does not represent the irreducible vertex function and clarifies that the propagators should be exact to align with the right-hand side, linking it to the standard definitions in the context of the S-matrix and interactions with external fields.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the vertex function, particularly regarding its irreducibility and the treatment of propagators. There is no consensus on whether the right-hand side of the equation captures only irreducible contributions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights assumptions about the definitions of vertex functions and propagators, as well as the implications of using perturbative expansions. There are unresolved questions regarding the treatment of reducible versus irreducible diagrams.

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Is there a proof or obvious reason why the vertex function is related to the current via:

[tex]S(p')\Gamma^\mu(p',p)S(p)=-\int \int dxdy e^{ipx}e^{-ipy} \langle T \psi(x) j^\mu(0) \bar{\psi}(y)\rangle[/tex]

In the free-field case one can see it's true. But the interacting case?
 
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I would use that expression as a definition of the vertex function in the interacting case. The right hand side becomes an infinite perturbation series for the measurable/physical quantity on the left.

Actually, I notice it implies using bare propagators on the LHS, so the expression does not contain external leg corrections. I believe this definition is used to include only the irreducible vertex corrections, and one defines irreducible propagator corrections separately (self-energy), so that when building higher order diagrams one can easily keep track of divergences. (Also, if you're using LSZ to get S-matrix elements, you should leave off the legs anyways)
 
king vitamin said:
I would use that expression as a definition of the vertex function in the interacting case. The right hand side becomes an infinite perturbation series for the measurable/physical quantity on the left.

Actually, I notice it implies using bare propagators on the LHS, so the expression does not contain external leg corrections. I believe this definition is used to include only the irreducible vertex corrections, and one defines irreducible propagator corrections separately (self-energy), so that when building higher order diagrams one can easily keep track of divergences. (Also, if you're using LSZ to get S-matrix elements, you should leave off the legs anyways)

I can't see how the RHS of the equation is irreducible. I'm assuming [tex]j^\mu(0)=\psi(0)\gamma^\mu \bar{\psi}(0)[/tex], and the entire RHS side, when done perturbatively, seems to sum all diagrams with two electrons and a photon, with the photon polarization left off. This would include the reducible diagrams too.

This is actually comes from a proof of the Ward identity using the operator formalism, so we're not trying to get S-matrix elements
 
Actually, you're right, this isn't the irreducible vertex function. Also, I think the S's are the exact electron propagators to be consistent with the RHS. In that case, gamma is the amputated three-point function. It's consistent with the standard definition of gamma in its relation to the S-matrix for the interaction of electrons with an external field, and it's use in defining the electric charge and magnetic moment.
 

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