Relative density of ice in cylinder

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The problem involves determining the relative density of ice when submerged in oil, based on changes in oil level in a measuring cylinder. The context includes measurements of oil volume before and after the ice is added and subsequently melts.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the volume of ice and the relationship between the weight of ice and the apparent loss of weight in oil. There are questions about the reference density needed for calculating relative density and how to apply different definitions of relative density in this context.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered expressions for the densities of ice and water, while others have clarified that different equations for relative density can yield the same result. The discussion is exploring various interpretations of the problem without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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There is a mention of needing a reference density for the calculation, specifically with respect to water, and some participants express confusion about the applicability of different equations for relative density in this scenario.

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Homework Statement



A measuring cylinder contains 60cm3 of oil at 0 degrees celsius .When a piece of ice is dropped into the cylinder,it sank completely in oil and the oil level rose to 90 cm3 mark.When the ice melted the oil level came down to 87cm3 mark.The relative density of ice is
(1)0.80 (2) 0.85 (3) 0.90 (4)0.95 (5)0.98

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The Attempt at a Solution


I guess the volume of ice is 90-60=30cm3
and the relative density of ice can be given as = real weight of ice(mg) / apparent loss in weight in oil(mg-m'g)?

mg would be 30*d*g,where d is the density of oil ,but how do I find its apparent weight in oil.I think it has something to do with the 87cm3 but I can't figure out what.

Hope someone can help.
Thanks in advance.
 
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To calculate the relative density you need to have a reference density. For this problem I guess you're expected to calculate the relative density of ice with respect to water.

Then RD=\rho_{ice} / \rho_{water}. Now try to find expressions for both densities.
 
Thanx.
so \rho_{ice} = m/30
& \rho_{water}= m/27

therefore RD = (m/30)*(27/m) = 0.9,which would be answer no.3?
but I have a slight problem,in some questions I've used the equations
RD of the material of a body= weight of body/weight of an equal volume of water
and to find the RD of a liquid=weight of a given volume of a liquid/weight of an equal vol.of water
or upthrust in liquid/upthrust in water
I can't undersatand why we can't solve the above problem using these equations
 
leena19 said:
but I have a slight problem,in some questions I've used the equations
RD of the material of a body= weight of body/weight of an equal volume of water

Let's use this definition then. The weight of the body of ice is W_i=m_ig=\rho_i V_i g.
The weight of an equal volume of water is W_w=m_w g=\rho_w V_i g. Putting this in your definition of RD yields:

<br /> RD=\frac{\rho_i V_i g}{\rho_w V_i g}=\frac{\rho_i}{\rho_w}<br />

So as you can see these two equations, while perhaps looking different, really are just the same.
 
Oh yes!They are the same.
Thanks so much,Cyosis.
 

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