Relative Max/Min: Solving for Minimum in f(x)

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The discussion revolves around finding the relative minimum of the function f(x) = (x^3) + (5x^2). Participants explore methods for determining relative extrema, including the use of derivatives and the implications of the function's behavior.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to determine which of the critical points gives the minimum value, suggesting a common sense approach based on the function's characteristics.
  • Another participant mentions the relevance of the second derivative test in identifying relative extrema.
  • A participant explains the first derivative test, indicating that a change in the sign of the first derivative at a critical point can indicate whether it is a maximum or minimum.
  • It is proposed that for a positive cubic function, the relative minimum would occur at the left endpoint of the interval being evaluated, as the function is always increasing.
  • There is a suggestion to compare endpoint values in addition to using the second derivative test.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of the second derivative test and the interpretation of critical points, indicating that multiple approaches to the problem are being considered without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the behavior of the function over specific intervals are not fully explored, and the discussion does not resolve the applicability of different derivative tests in all scenarios.

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I'm taking AP Calc AB this year and this is a question I've come across while doing work on my own and I won't be seeing my teacher for a few days, so I' figured I'd ask some of you guys. Let's say you have an equation f(x)=(x^3)+(5x^2) and you need to find the relative minimum of that function. Take the derivative and set it to zero to find where the slope levels off, but how do you know which of the two x values gives the minimum? Is it a common sense type thing, because I know that with such a simple function you can deduce that, because it's a positive cubic function, the maximum will come first, and so naturally the minimum will be the larger x value, but is there a more mathematical way to do this? Thanks in advance.

Just kidding, I found out how to do it. Pretty easy.
 
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So we don't need to talk about second derivatives?
 
You don't need to. The "first derivative test" says that if, at a critical point, the first derivative changes from positive to negative (so the function values are going up, then down), then the critical point is a maximum, if negative to positive, a minimum. Of course, if the first derivative is going from positive to negative, it is an decreasing function and so its derivative, the second derivative of the function, is negative.
 
In the case of a positive cubic function like the above, the relative minimum would always occur at the left endpoint of the interval on which it is being evaluated because it's always increasing. Likewise for the relative maximum. Right?

In general though, you use the second derivative test. (That's the short answer.) But even then, you should check endpoint values and compare.
 

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