Relative motion in two dimensions question

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The problem involves relative motion in two dimensions, focusing on two ships with specified positions and velocities. Participants are tasked with determining the velocity of one ship relative to the other, expressing their positions over time, and analyzing the minimum separation between them.

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  • Participants discuss the relative velocities of the ships and express confusion about the integration process for determining relative positions. There are questions regarding the simplification of expressions and the method to find the minimum distance between the ships.

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Some participants have provided partial expressions for the relative positions and velocities, while others are exploring how to express the separation as a function of time. There is an ongoing dialogue about the clarity of the mathematical expressions and the steps needed to progress toward a solution.

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Participants note the need for clearer expressions and the potential use of calculus to find the minimum separation. There is acknowledgment of the complexity involved in the problem setup and the need for visual aids to assist understanding.

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Ship A is located at 4 km north and 2.5 km east of ship B. Ship A has a velocity of 22 km/h toward the south, and ship B has a velocity of 40 km/h in a direction 37 degrees north of east. (a) What is the velocity of A relative to B in unit-vector notation with i toward the east? (b) Write an expression (in terms of i and j) for the position of A relative to B as a function of t, where t=0 when the ships are in the positions described above. (c) At what time is the separation between the ships least? (d) What is that least separation?

Homework Equations


i,j are unit vectors.
vPA=VPB+VBA


The Attempt at a Solution


Angles are in degrees
(a)
dr/dtA= -22km/h j
dr/dtB= 40cos(37)i+40sin(37)j
dr/dtBA= -40cos(37)i-22km/h j-40sin(37)j
(b)
\intdrBA=\int-40cos(37)i-(22km/h+40sin(37))j dt
rBA=(2.5-40cos(37)t)i+(4-t(22+40sin37))j
(c)
Now I don't know how to solve it lol
(d)

I'm really lost on how you can solve the minimum distance or the time when it reaches the minimum distance.
Please give me at least a hint
 
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f25274 said:
(a)
dr/dtA= -22km/h j
dr/dtB= 40cos(37)i+40sin(37)j
dr/dtBA= -40cos(37)i-22km/h j-40sin(37)j
OK, but why not just symbolize the velocities as VA and VB?
(b)
\intdrBA=\int-40cos(37)i-(22km/h+40sin(37))j dt
rBA=(2.5-40cos(37)t)i+(4-t(22+40sin37))j
The velocities are constant, so get rid of the integral sign. (Do the integration, if you must.)
(c)
Now I don't know how to solve it lol
First get a simpler expression for part b. Then how would you write the separation as a function of time? Then you can finally use some calculus.
 
I don't think I understand what you mean by separating as a function of time
rBA=(2.5-40cos(37)t)i+(4-t(22+40sin37))j
rBA=(2.5-31.945t)i+(4-46.073t)j

:( Is this what you mean by simple?
 
f25274 said:
I don't think I understand what you mean by separating as a function of time
rBA=(2.5-40cos(37)t)i+(4-t(22+40sin37))j
rBA=(2.5-31.945t)i+(4-46.073t)j

:( Is this what you mean by simple?
I'm sorry... you did do the integration. My bad!

The separation is the distance. Now that you have the relative position, how can you express the distance as a function of time? Hint: What's the distance squared?
 
As always when confused, start by drawing a graph. Let's call the position of ship A at time t=0 (0,0,0). That will make the vectors fixed.
 

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