Relative Motion of Planet to Star: Gm1m2/r^3 - Gm1m2/r^3 = 0

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the gravitational interaction between a star and a planet, focusing on the mathematical formulation of gravitational force and the relative motion of the two bodies. It includes theoretical considerations and mathematical reasoning related to gravitational forces and orbital mechanics.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the gravitational force felt by the planet is expressed as F = Gm1m2 / r^2 * ( -r/r ), indicating that r is a vector representing the relative position.
  • Others argue that the expression F = Gm1m2/r^3 is incorrect, suggesting that the force should include the radius vector in the numerator to provide direction.
  • There is a discussion about the necessity of subtracting the equations of motion of the star from that of the planet to find their relative motion, with some clarifying that the relative distance is r = r2 - r1.
  • One participant acknowledges a typographical error in their earlier post regarding the force equation.
  • Another participant emphasizes that both the star and the planet orbit their combined center of mass, which is relevant for understanding their motion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct formulation of gravitational force and the treatment of relative motion. There is no consensus on the correct expression for the gravitational force, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the mathematical details.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include potential misunderstandings of vector notation and the implications of the center of mass in orbital dynamics. The discussion also highlights the need for clarity in mathematical expressions.

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Suppose we have a star and a planet with radius vectors r1 and r2 respectively in a fixed inertial coordinate frame. Relative position of planet from sun is r = r2 - r1

Why is the gravitational pull felt by the planet equals to F = Gm1m2 / r^2 * ( -r/r ) ?

Therefore, F= Gm1m2/r^3

Secondly, we want to find the relative motion of the planet with respect to the star.

Why is it that we have to substract the equation of motion of the star from that of the planet ?

m1 = mass of star
m2 = mass of planet

m2a2 = -Gm1m2r/r^3 ------ 1st eq
m1a1 = Gm1m2/r^3 -------- 2nd eq

Finally, a = G(m1+m2)r/r3
 
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Jadaav said:
Why is the gravitational pull felt by the planet equals to F = Gm1m2 / r^2 * ( -r/r ) ?
That is just the way gravity works. The r in the numerator is a vector here.
Therefore, F= Gm1m2/r^3
That is wrong.

Secondly, we want to find the relative motion of the planet with respect to the star.

Why is it that we have to substract the equation of motion of the star from that of the planet ?
The relative distance is r = r2 - r1, as you wrote above. If you want to calculate the second time-derivative of that, the minus sign stays there.
 
OK

I did a mistake in typing : F= Gm1m2r/r^3

Thanks a lot :)
 
Jadaav said:
Why is the gravitational pull felt by the planet equals to F = Gm1m2 / r^2 * ( -r/r ) ?

The magnitude of the force is F = Gm1m2 / r^2. The part in parenthesis should be the radius vector (r2-r1) divided by the magnitude of the difference. It just gives a direction to the gravitational force vector.
Therefore, F= Gm1m2/r^3

Should include the radius vector in the numerator, same as above.

Why is it that we have to substract the equation of motion of the star from that of the planet ?

m1 = mass of star
m2 = mass of planet

m2a2 = -Gm1m2r/r^3 ------ 1st eq
m1a1 = Gm1m2/r^3 -------- 2nd eq

Finally, a = G(m1+m2)r/r3

Both objects are orbiting their combined center of mass. You can often get away with saying the planet orbits the star because the combined center of mass is usually very near the center of mass of the star (if you add the Earth's mass to the Sun's mass, the total will still be very close to the Sun's mass), but the true situation is that both the planet and the star are orbiting their combined center of mass (with the resulting wobble of the star being one of the ways we detect planets around other stars).
 
Thanks a lot BobG.

Really appreciated :)
 

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