Relative Motion vs Time: Paradox Explained

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The discussion centers on the paradox of time dilation in special relativity, particularly the confusion surrounding relative motion and the Twin Paradox. Participants clarify that both observers—the traveler on the spaceship and the stationary observer on Earth—perceive the other's clock as running slow due to the relativity of simultaneity. This concept is crucial for understanding the apparent contradictions in time dilation. The discussion emphasizes the importance of moving beyond layman's explanations to grasp the complexities of special relativity.

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  • Understanding of special relativity concepts, particularly time dilation
  • Familiarity with the relativity of simultaneity
  • Basic knowledge of the Twin Paradox
  • Experience with physics textbooks that cover special relativity
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  • Study the relativity of simultaneity in detail
  • Explore the Twin Paradox FAQ for comprehensive insights
  • Learn about time dilation effects in various inertial frames
  • Investigate the Doppler effect in the context of special relativity
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This discussion is beneficial for physics students, educators, and anyone seeking a deeper understanding of special relativity and its paradoxes, particularly those grappling with the concepts of time dilation and simultaneity.

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Hi,

I'm reading a book explaining relativity. I previously understood the subject in layman's terms but am now confused.

The author has introduced relative motion in an invariant universe with the concept that motion through space is only relative to the observer.

Given this, I'm now struggling with the traditional 'man travels from Earth on spaceship and time slows for him relative to the observer on Earth' effect.

If motion is relative then why isn't the observer on Earth equally traveling away from the ship (ie ship is stationery relative to Earth in it's reference)? Why doesn't the man on the ship observe time passing more slowly on earth?

I realize that this is a paradox, but I can't figure it out. Confused.
 
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EspressoDan said:
If motion is relative then why isn't the observer on Earth equally travel away from the ship (ie ship is stationery relative to Earth in it's reference) and the man on the ship observe time passing more slowly on earth?
As long as the ship is just moving away from the earth, that is exactly what happens: The man on the ship finds that the moving earth-based clocks are running slow compared to his clock, while the people on Earth finds that the moving spaceship clock is running slow compared to their clock. This apparent paradox in time dilation is resolved by the relativity of simultaneity; we have many other threads here that discuss this. Here is one; post #10 of this thread is another; and we have many many more.

The Twin Paradox in which the spaceship turns around and returns to Earth is a completely different problem. The traveller will have experienced less time and aged less on the journey, even though at all times both stay-at-home and traveller agree that the other one is moving relative to them so has the "slow" clock. For a detailed explanation of this problem you should try the Twin Paradox FAQ.
 
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Thanks. You need to know what paradox you're worrying about to know what paradox you're worrying about!

The FAQ was useful, the Doppler-shift answer worked for me.
 
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EspressoDan said:
Hi,

I'm reading a book explaining relativity. I previously understood the subject in layman's terms but am now confused.

If you are learning SR from a proper textbook, then it may be an idea to clear your mind of everything you thought you knew about the subject "in layman's terms". It's more than likely that anything you think you already know will turn out to be a hindrance to a proper understanding of the subject.
 
In my experience, layman's guides to special relativity rarely mention the concept of the relativity of simultaneity, or only in passing without much explanation. I personally find that this concept is actually quite integral to developing anything approaching an intuitive understanding of the subject. Without that understanding, everything you learn about relativity will either be understood incorrectly (ie not realizing that *both* sides of the twin paradox see the other's clock tick more slowly), or just sound completely contradictory or perplexing (ie how can they both see the other's clock ticking more slowly? that doesn't make sense!). It's also possibly the hardest concept to really internalize. The idea that there is a single moment that is "now" for everyone everywhere is so instinctually ingrained in us that it becomes very challenging to accept an idea that contradicts that.
 

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