Relativistic hidden variable quantum mechanics?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the implications of nonlocal hidden variable theories in the context of relativistic quantum mechanics. Participants explore various papers that address the feasibility and consequences of such theories, particularly focusing on causality, the definition of time, and the treatment of spacetime in quantum mechanics.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference Gisin's paper claiming that nonlocal hidden variable theories are impossible under certain assumptions, while others challenge these assumptions and the conclusions drawn.
  • There is a discussion on whether violations of causality at the level of hidden variables are problematic, with some arguing that they conflict with fundamental principles of cause and effect.
  • Participants debate the definition of "before" in relativity, suggesting that it may be modified to refer to proper time rather than coordinate time.
  • Concerns are raised about the existence of spacelike hypersurfaces that connect events with the same proper time, questioning the implications for the proposed models.
  • Some participants assert that the treatment of space and time in the discussed theories requires a more serious consideration of the four-dimensional view of spacetime compared to standard relativity.
  • There is a historical overview provided regarding the development of relativity and its implications for non-locality and quantum mechanics, with some participants suggesting that Lorentz symmetry may be emergent rather than fundamental.
  • The relationship between Bohmian mechanics and covariant hidden variable theories is questioned, with some noting that while standard Bohmian mechanics is not covariant, certain versions may be.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of causality violations, the treatment of time in relativity, and the validity of various theoretical approaches. No consensus is reached on these issues, and multiple competing perspectives remain throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the definitions and assumptions used in the discussed theories, particularly regarding the treatment of time and causality. There are unresolved questions about the mathematical models corresponding to the discussed figures and the implications of these models for initial/boundary value problems.

  • #121
A. Neumaier said:
But (for a curve) this tangent vector is unique only up to a (positive or negative) factor.
One way to fix this factor is indeed to fix the parametrization. But the point is that it is not the only way.
 
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  • #122
Demystifier said:
One way to fix this factor is indeed to fix the parametrization. But the point is that it is not the only way.
So how do you fix it without getting a spurious sign in your ds?
 
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  • #123
A. Neumaier said:
So how do you fix it without getting a spurious sign in your ds?
If the curve is oriented (which is a much weaker requirement than that it is parameterized), then the sign is chosen such that ##s## increases in the direction of orientation. In my case, the orientation at each point is defined by the direction of the vector ##V^{\mu}##, to which the curve is tangent. Note also that in my paper ##\Omega## in Eq. (111) is positive.
 

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