Relativistic Mass Oscillation & Gravitational Field at R

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The discussion revolves around the gravitational field produced by a mass oscillating with relativistic acceleration, specifically in the context of general relativity and Einstein's field equations. Participants explore the implications of oscillation on energy-momentum conservation and the necessity of specifying the mechanism behind the oscillation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that an oscillating mass in isolation leads to a non-zero covariant derivative of the energy-momentum tensor, which complicates the application of Einstein's field equations.
  • It is proposed that a mechanism is required to ensure energy-momentum conservation when considering an oscillating mass, as an oscillating mass alone does not satisfy the necessary conditions.
  • One participant suggests that expansion and contraction can model oscillation, emphasizing the importance of internal forces and local conditions.
  • Examples are provided, such as two massive bodies connected by a spring and heated materials with vibrating atoms, to illustrate how kinetic energy might affect gravitational force.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the necessity of a mechanism for oscillation to be meaningful in the context of gravitational fields, but there is no consensus on the specifics of such mechanisms or their implications.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on definitions and the need for detailed specifications of mechanisms involved in oscillation, as well as the unresolved mathematical implications of energy-momentum conservation in this context.

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Let a mass oscillate with relativistic acceleration (sinusoidal) by means which are irrelevant. What does the gravitational field look like a distance R away?
 
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If one considers a sinusoidal mass oscillating in isolation, one finds that ##\nabla_a T^{ab}## is not equal to zero, while ##\nabla_a G^{ab} = 0##. As a consequence one cannot satisfy Einstein's field equations ##T^{ab} = 8 \pi G^{ab}## as taking the covariant derivative of each side yields the result that ##\nabla_a T^{ab} = \nabla_a G^{ab}##, but this is not possible.

Thus one is lead to the conclusion that the means by which the mass is made to osscilate cannot be ignored.. Another way of saying this that may be simpler - one needs the source to conserve energy-momentum (the precise mathematical statement of this idea is that ##\nabla_a T^{ab} = 0## ) in order to be able to apply Einstein's field equations in the first place. And an oscillating mass doesn't do that by itself, it needs help.
 
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If one considers a sinusoidal mass oscillating in isolation, one finds that ##\nabla_a T^{ab}## is not equal to zero, while ##\nabla_a G^{ab} = 0##. As a consequence one cannot satisfy Einstein's field equations ##T^{ab} = 8 \pi G^{ab}## as taking the covariant derivative of each side yields the result that ##\nabla_a T^{ab} = \nabla_a G^{ab}##, but this is not possible.

Thus one is lead to the conclusion that the means by which the mass is made to osscilate cannot be ignored.. Another way of saying this that may be simpler - one needs the source to conserve energy-momentum (the precise mathematical statement of this idea is that ##\nabla_a T^{ab} = 0## ) in order to be able to apply Einstein's field equations in the first place. And an oscillating mass doesn't do that by itself, it needs help.
What if perhaps we had a mechanism that made it such that the mass oscillates with constant /omega
 
The problem is that you need to specify the mechanism in detail. If I wave a charged body around there's a reaction that means that I wave slightly in the opposite direction. But I'm not charged, so for the purposes of electromagnetic fields we don't care about the details of how I'm waving the charge around.

However, if it's a mass I'm waving around and we want to know about gravitational fields then we can't ignore my mass and momentum. If the mass is big enough to be gravitationally significant I must be very big and strong, and I would also be a significant gravitational source. You can't ignore me without violating energy and momentum conservation which is "baked in" to Einstein's equations.

So there's no solution for "an oscillating mass", only for "a mass being oscillated by something".
 
"So there's no solution for "an oscillating mass", only for "a mass being oscillated by something".

Very well put. Expansion/contraction is one of the easiest ways to model oscillation. It depends only on the forces holding it together internally and the local conditions around it. It varies on a periodic basis both time wise, and as it travels through space. It is "a mechanism that made it such that the mass oscillates with constant". You can model the oscillating wave properties of a photon (http://www.animatedphysics.com/games/photon_oscillator.htm) and immediately see the significance of the Planck constant.
 
I think of some examples
- two massive bodies connected by a spring, and
- heated material that contains atoms in vibration.

Kinetic energy should increase gravitational force than the cases of no motion.
 
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