Relativistic momentum and energies

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The problem involves a meson decaying into two photons, each with an energy of 150 MeV in the meson's rest frame. The task is to find the kinetic energy of the meson when it is in motion, considering the angle between the photon momenta during the decay.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to analyze the decay in both the rest frame and the moving frame of the meson, considering the conservation of energy and momentum. They express uncertainty about how to apply the invariant mass equation and which momentum values to use.
  • Some participants question the assumptions made regarding momentum in the rest frame and suggest considering the components of momentum for the moving frame.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of the equations used, particularly regarding the potential for negative kinetic energy results.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and attempting to clarify the application of relativistic equations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of momentum components, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the difficulty in following the reasoning presented, indicating potential gaps in clarity or understanding among participants. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the application of the invariant mass equation and the treatment of momentum in the context of the decay process.

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Homework Statement


A meson (elementary particle) decays into two photons, each of energy 150MeV in its rest frame. Find the mesonic kinetic energy in the case of a symmetric decay in flight with an angle of 60degrees between the photon momenta (30 degrees for each particle on each side of the direction of the meson's motion).

Homework Equations


well e=mc^2 is clearly used
maybe ke=1/2mv^2
the momentum of a photon is p=e/c
E(total)^2 = (pc)^2+E(rest)^2
and E(total)^2-(pc)^2 is an invariant (i know this equation is the main way to solve the problem but I'm not exactly sure how to use this properly)
and E(total)=KE+E(rest)

The Attempt at a Solution


First I analyzed the case of the rest frame:
the meson at rest will decay into two photons with 180 degrees between the momenta so the total momentum will be zero, the energies of each photon is 150MeV and the momentum of each individual photon will be p=150/2.99e8.
I also assumed that the meson had a total rest energy of 300MeV since energy cannot be created/destroyed.
Now I know I'm supposed to use the invariance equation now to find the energies at the relativistic velocity with 300 as the E(total)^2 but I'm not sure what p^2 I would use. I was thinking I would use the p=e/c but even still I don't know if I need to multiply that by 2 because there's two photons or…
But on the other side of the invariance equation I think I replace E(total)^2 with (KE+E(rest))^2 which is just (KE+300)^2 and once again I'm not sure which p^2 I would use on that side.
So I think I'm really close to just solving for KE but I have no idea which momentums to use in each p^2 in the invariance.

Thank you all in advance.
 
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ohhhhhh i think for the first invariant i just make p^2=0 because in the rest frame there is no momentum…i'm dumb…
as for the invariant on the right side of the equation i think i use p^2 as p=(e/c)cos30 to find the x component since the y component cancels out anyway, so the p would be (150*2/2.99e8)cos30
thus the equation becomes:
E^2=(Eo+KE)^2+(pc)^2
300^2=(300+KE)^2+((150*2/2.99e8)cos30*2.99e8)^2
and i solve for ke, i hope that's right :/
 
It's kind of hard to follow what you're talking about, but your final equation will give you a negative value for the kinetic energy.
 
(two threads merged. please do not multiple post. Thanks.)
 

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