Remainders, need Help proving a simple notion

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the properties of remainders when dividing whole numbers, particularly focusing on the relationship between two numbers, m and n, and their coprimality. Participants explore whether all possible remainders can be achieved when considering the first n multiples of m divided by n, and what happens when m and n are not coprime.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant observes that when dividing multiples of 7 by 5, all possible remainders are achieved, suggesting a connection to the coprimality of the two numbers.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of modular arithmetic to explain why different multiples of 7 yield different remainders when divided by 5, questioning the conditions under which this holds true.
  • A later reply indicates that if two numbers yield the same remainder, their difference must be a multiple of the divisor, implying a relationship to their coprimality.
  • There is a suggestion that if m and n are not coprime, the pattern of remainders may change, and one participant proposes that certain remainders may need to be excluded based on the common factors of m and n.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of coprimality on the distribution of remainders. There is no consensus on the generalization of the pattern when m and n are not coprime, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the properties of coprime numbers and their relationship to modular arithmetic, but these assumptions are not fully explored or proven within the thread.

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Hello

Today I looked at something that seems like it should have a simple solution, but I may have looked at for too long, and can't solve it. My problem is as follows.

When you divide a whole number by a whole number n, then it is clear that the possible remainders are 0,1,2,...n-1. If you then look at 7 devided by 5 you get remainder 2, 14 by five gives 4, 21 by 5 gives 1, 28 by 5 gives 3, and 35 by 5 gives 0, then the pattern repeats. That is all possible remainders is achieved by the first five multiplums of seven. I know it must have something to do with 5 and 7 being coprime. Because 18 and 15 shows a different pattern.

In general is it possible to show that if m is lager than m and n and m are coprime, then the first n multiplums of m devided by n, will always achieve all the possible remainders?

Are there anyway to prove what will in general happen to the pattern if n and m are not Co prime. It seems to me that all remainders are achieved, but one need to remove the remainders, in which the number that devides n and m, devides.

Hope my two questions Makes sense.
 
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you are asking why 1.7, 2.7, 3.7, 4.7, 5.7 all have different remainders after divison by 5. do you know modular arithmetic? this is asking why none of those 5 numbers are equal mod 5. Well iof they were, then their difference would be zero mod 5. I.e. there would be a number k between 1 and 4, such that k.7 = 0 mod 5. This would be a number k such that 7.k is divisible by 5, and 0 < k < 5. Do you see why this cannot happen? can you generalize?
 
Hey thanks i think i got it. I will take a closer look at it tomorrow and try to post the generalization
 
For your first question: If two numbers give the same remainder, then their difference is a multiple of the divisor, which makes the original numbers not coprime.
 

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