Renormalization of Bound States in QFT

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The discussion revolves around the topic of renormalization of bound states in quantum field theory (QFT), with a focus on approaches to understanding loop corrections and their implications for bound states, particularly in quantum electrodynamics (QED) and heavy quark systems. Participants seek advice on starting points for research and explore various theoretical frameworks and methodologies.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests starting with Chapter 10 of Itzykson and Zuber's Quantum Field Theory for insights on renormalization for bound states.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of effective field theories, specifically mentioning non-relativistic QED (NRQED) for QED bound states and the necessity of summing ladder Coulomb exchanges to understand the bound state nature.
  • Concerns are raised about how the bound state of an electron affects renormalization in QED and its relation to the accuracy of Lamb shift predictions.
  • For studying quark bound states, various effective field theories are proposed, including NRQCD, potential NRQCD, and heavy quark effective theory (HQET), depending on the quark mass and configuration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of bound states for renormalization, particularly regarding the Lamb shift and the effectiveness of various theoretical approaches. The discussion does not reach a consensus on these points.

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Some assumptions about the applicability of effective field theories and the specific conditions under which they operate remain unaddressed. The discussion includes references to specific papers and theories without resolving the mathematical intricacies involved.

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Researchers and students interested in quantum field theory, particularly those focusing on bound states, renormalization techniques, and effective field theories in particle physics.

Orion Pax
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Hi, I am about to work on the problem of trying to find a renormalization program for bound states in QFT. Any suggestions/advice on where to start would be much appreciated.
 
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You could start with Chapter 10 of Itzykson and Zuber's Quantum Field Theory, which discusses renormalization for bound states, and then look at some of the papers they refer to.
 
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john baez said:
You could start with Chapter 10 of Itzykson and Zuber's Quantum Field Theory, which discusses renormalization for bound states, and then look at some of the papers they refer to.
Thanks, I'm on it!
 
When we are calculating the loop corrections in our theory (QED, for instance), how does the fact that our electron is in a bound state show itself in the renormalization? Does it matter at all? If so, then why are the predicted values for the Lamb shift, which are calculated in QFT for the electron in Hydrogen, i.e for a bound state, in such close agreement with experiment? Am I missing something here? Thanks
 
Orion Pax said:
When we are calculating the loop corrections in our theory (QED, for instance), how does the fact that our electron is in a bound state show itself in the renormalization? Does it matter at all? If so, then why are the predicted values for the Lamb shift, which are calculated in QFT for the electron in Hydrogen, i.e for a bound state, in such close agreement with experiment? Am I missing something here? Thanks
The modern approach to QFT in bound states is through the use of effective field theories. For QED bound states, look for NRQED (non relativistic QED). Look for a paper on Lamb shift in NRQED to see the details. The renormalization is done as usual in an effective field theory, the bound state part shows up only in the fact that the asymptotic state is not free particles but a bound state, effectively one must sum up all the ladder Coulomb exchanges to infinity and this corresponds to the asymptotic state being a bound state satisfying Schrödinger's equation with a Coulomb potential. Again, see my paper on Lamb shift in NRQED for details on the Lamb shift calculation in this approach (look also for papers on "potential NRQED").

If your ultimate goal is to study quark bound states, an effective field theory approach is also required. For bound states of heavy quarks, look for NRQCD and potential NRQCD. For bound state of one heavy quark plus light quarks, look for HQET. For light quarks only, one need chiral perturbation theory.
 

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