Representation of Angular Momentum Operator in the (j,j')

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The discussion revolves around the representation of the angular momentum operator in the context of the (j,j') representation of the Lorentz group. Participants explore the mathematical structure of these representations, particularly focusing on how generators act on states within this framework.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the representation of the generators A and B in terms of their action on states, suggesting a specific form for the representation when acting on the (j,j') states.
  • Another participant proposes that the generators for the representation r ⊕ r' are block diagonal, indicating a structural relationship between the representations.
  • There is a question regarding the specific form of the operator A in the (1/2,1) ⊕ (1,1/2) representation, with a participant suggesting a matrix structure that includes separate blocks for different generators.
  • A participant challenges the dimensionality of the representation, arguing that the operator should reflect a twelve-dimensional vector space, proposing a specific tensor product structure for the operators involved.
  • Another participant confirms the last proposition regarding the dimensionality and structure of the operator, agreeing with the twelve-dimensional expectation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the structure and dimensionality of the operators involved, with some agreeing on the proposed tensor product structure while others question the initial interpretations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact representation forms and their implications.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of the representations and the specific forms of the operators, as well as the implications of the dimensionality of the vector spaces involved.

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Hello All,

I'm trying to understand how the (j,j') representation of the Lorentz group. Following Ryder, I can see why we define A=J+iK and B=J-iK, which each form an SU(2) group. So it's clear to me what the rep of these generators is when acting on a state (j,j'): Rep(A)\otimes1+1\otimes Rep(B). Where Rep(A) and Rep(B) are the appropriate j and j' reps.

My question is this: given the rep (j,j')\oplus(j',j), what is the induced rep on the generators? For example how do I act with A or J on this state?

Thanks a whole bunch
 
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If you have a representation r and associated generators R, then the generators for the representation r\oplus r' are

\begin{pmatrix} R & 0 \\ 0& R'\end{pmatrix}.

As a sort of converse, if a representation \tilde{r} is reducible to a sum r\oplus r', then the generators \tilde{R} are block diagonal, as above.
 
Thanks for the quick reply. But I didn't understand. In the (1/2,1)\oplus(1,1/2) of Lorentz, does the operator A (the left SU(2)) look like this

<br /> \begin{pmatrix}<br /> A_{2\times2} &amp; 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 \\<br /> 0 &amp; 1_{3\times3} &amp; 0 &amp; 0 \\<br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; A_{3\times3} &amp; 0 \\<br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 1_{2\times2} <br /> \end{pmatrix}<br />
 
a2009 said:
Thanks for the quick reply. But I didn't understand. In the (1/2,1)\oplus(1,1/2) of Lorentz, does the operator A (the left SU(2)) look like this

<br /> \begin{pmatrix}<br /> A_{2\times2} &amp; 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 \\<br /> 0 &amp; 1_{3\times3} &amp; 0 &amp; 0 \\<br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; A_{3\times3} &amp; 0 \\<br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 1_{2\times2} <br /> \end{pmatrix}<br />

No, there's separate blocks for the right and left-generators. The block decomposition is only for the sums, not the tensor products. So you'd have

<br /> \begin{pmatrix}<br /> A_{2\times2} &amp; 0 \\<br /> 0 &amp; A_{3\times3} <br /> \end{pmatrix}<br />
 
Sorry I still don't understand. Each (j,j') is a (2j+1)X(2j'+1) dimensional vector space. So in the case of (1/2,1)\oplus(1,1/2) it should be a twelve dimensional vector space. What you wrote is five dimensional. Maybe the answer is A_{2\times2}\otimes 1_{3\times3} \oplus A_{3\times3}\otimes 1_{2\times2}? This would give

\begin{pmatrix}<br /> \left( A_{2\times2}\otimes 1_{3\times3} \right)_{6\times 6} &amp; 0 \\<br /> 0 &amp; \left( A_{3\times3}\otimes 1_{2\times2} \right)_{6\times 6}<br /> \end{pmatrix}<br />

which is a twelve dim operator like I'd expect. Does this make any sense?

Thank!
 
a2009 said:
Sorry I still don't understand. Each (j,j') is a (2j+1)X(2j'+1) dimensional vector space. So in the case of (1/2,1)\oplus(1,1/2) it should be a twelve dimensional vector space. What you wrote is five dimensional. Maybe the answer is A_{2\times2}\otimes 1_{3\times3} \oplus A_{3\times3}\otimes 1_{2\times2}? This would give

\begin{pmatrix}<br /> \left( A_{2\times2}\otimes 1_{3\times3} \right)_{6\times 6} &amp; 0 \\<br /> 0 &amp; \left( A_{3\times3}\otimes 1_{2\times2} \right)_{6\times 6}<br /> \end{pmatrix}<br />

which is a twelve dim operator like I'd expect. Does this make any sense?

Thank!

This is right.
 

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