Representations of a delta function

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around various representations of the delta function, focusing on the desire for references that list and prove these representations in a manner suitable for physicists. Participants express interest in understanding the properties of these representations and how to demonstrate them through integrals.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks references that provide both a list and proofs of delta function representations, specifically aimed at physicists.
  • Another participant suggests that "generating functions" producing the delta function in the limit may be what is meant by representations, noting that physics texts often lack rigorous proofs.
  • A participant questions what constitutes a proof of a representation, suggesting that demonstrating properties of the delta function may not equate to formal proof.
  • One participant expresses comfort with the delta function but seeks clarity on how to show that various representations possess the correct properties, particularly after being inspired by a text on quantum mechanics.
  • Another participant specifies that the integral of the representations over all space should equal one and expresses a desire to understand how to perform these integrals without relying on integral tables.
  • A suggestion is made that manipulating delta functions involves pairing them with arbitrary test functions and performing operations that lead to conclusions about the distributions involved.
  • A participant recommends resources on distribution theory that are accessible to physicists, mentioning specific books that could be helpful.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of comfort with the delta function and its representations, but there is no consensus on what constitutes a proof or the best approach to demonstrating the properties of these representations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific methods for proving the properties of the delta function.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the challenge of finding rigorous proofs in physics literature, indicating a potential gap between mathematical rigor and physical intuition. The discussion also reflects uncertainty about the definitions and properties of delta function representations.

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There are many representations of the delta function. Is there a place/reference that lists AND proves them? I am interested in proofs that would satisfy a physicist not a mathematician.
 
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By representations, do you mean the generating functions that produce the delta in the limit? Physics references do not generally provide proofs so much as demonstrations or explanations, so if you want a proof you should stick to math texts. The list of texts containing demonstrations/discussions, on the other hand, is nearly limitless. Open up your favorite one. Here are a few examples
  • Arfken, Mathematical Methods for Physicists
  • Bracewell, The Fourier Transform and Its Applications
  • Dirac, The Principles of Quantum Mechanics (of course!)
 
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caz said:
representations of the delta function. Is there a place/reference that lists AND proves them
I wonder what you would consider a proof of a representation . A delta function is a something with certain well described properties. The word distributions comes to mind (out of the dust of ages). Showing that the representation exhibits such properties is just that: a showing.

[Links added after commenting; plenty references for further study. As a physicist I'm comfortable with 'infinitely narrow and high needle with area 1' :cool: but I would never claim that would prove anything]
 
I am actually comfortable with the delta function. It’s just that I am many years past grad school and was reading something (Intermediate Quantum Mechanics by Bethe) that piqued my interest in how to to show that these representations have the correct properties.
 
caz said:
I am actually comfortable with the delta function. It’s just that I am many years past grad school and was reading something (Intermediate Quantum Mechanics by Bethe) that piqued my interest in how to to show that these representations have the correct properties.
What are the properties you refer to?
 
That the integral over all space of the representations equals one. I am interested in how to do the integrals. Some of them I can solve, some of them I cannot. I do not want to look them up in an integral table.
 
The best way (avoiding magic) to manipulate ##\delta##-functions or, generally, distributions, is by first pairing with an arbitrary (i.e. smooth, compactly supported) test function, doing the manipulations (usually involving partial integration) and limits in ##\mathbb{R}## and then, at the end, concluding that a certain identity, or limit representation holds true for the distributions in question, because the test function was chosen arbitrarily.

Any introduction to (or: containing material about) distribution theory will show you this in detail, while keeping the underlying functional analysis out, or to a minimum, so it is accessible to physicists with a good background in multivariable calculus. There is the book by Strichartz and the book by Duistermaat and Kolk, for example.
 
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I’ll give Strichartz a try. Thanks.
 

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