Representations of finite groups -- Equivalent representations

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The discussion revolves around the representations of finite groups, specifically focusing on the cyclic group ##C_2## and the properties of its matrix representations. Participants explore the implications of similarity transformations on the order of group elements and the conditions under which representations are considered unitary.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a matrix representation of the cyclic group ##C_2## and questions why the transformed matrix does not exhibit second-order properties, as expected from an equivalent representation.
  • Another participant corrects the matrix representation, suggesting that the correct form should be ##\begin{bmatrix}-5 & -6\\4 & 5\end{bmatrix}##.
  • There is a repeated inquiry about the nature of the transformed element and its failure to conform to the expected properties of the group.
  • One participant asserts that any matrix representation of a finite group is unitary, while another clarifies that this does not imply the representation is unitary with respect to the standard inner product.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the properties of the transformed matrix and whether it correctly represents the group ##C_2##. There is no consensus on the implications of the similarity transformation or the conditions for unitarity.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential limitations in understanding how similarity transformations affect the order of group elements and the conditions under which representations are unitary.

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I am confused. Look for instance cyclic ##C_2## group representation where
D(e)=<br /> \begin{bmatrix}<br /> 1 &amp; 0\\<br /> 0 &amp; 1<br /> \end{bmatrix}
and
D(g)=<br /> \begin{bmatrix}<br /> 0 &amp; 1\\<br /> 1 &amp; 0<br /> \end{bmatrix}
and let's take invertible matrix
A=<br /> \begin{bmatrix}<br /> 1 &amp; 2\\<br /> 3 &amp; 4<br /> \end{bmatrix}.
Then
A^{-1}=<br /> \frac{1}{2}\begin{bmatrix}<br /> -4 &amp; 2\\<br /> 3 &amp; -1<br /> \end{bmatrix}
Then
\tilde{D}(g)=A^{-1}\cdot D(g) \cdot A=<br /> \frac{1}{2}\begin{bmatrix}<br /> -4 &amp; 2\\<br /> 3 &amp; -1<br /> \end{bmatrix} \cdot <br /> \begin{bmatrix}<br /> 0 &amp; 1\\<br /> 1 &amp; 0<br /> \end{bmatrix} \cdot <br /> \begin{bmatrix}<br /> 1 &amp; 2\\<br /> 3 &amp; 4<br /> \end{bmatrix}=<br /> \begin{bmatrix}<br /> -5 &amp; -6\\<br /> 5 &amp; 5<br /> \end{bmatrix}<br />
end that is not second order element, i.e. ##\tilde{D}(g)\cdot \tilde{D}(g)## is not equal to ##I##. Why is that the case if with this transform one should get equivalent representation of group ##C_2##?
 
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It should be
\begin{bmatrix}
-5 & -6\\
4 & 5
\end{bmatrix}
 
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martinbn said:
It should be
\begin{bmatrix}
-5 & -6\\
4 & 5
\end{bmatrix}
Problem is still there. My question is why that element is not of second order, or why I do not get ##C_2## group with similarity transform?
 
LagrangeEuler said:
Problem is still there. My question is why that element is not of second order, or why I do not get ##C_2## group with similarity transform?
It is! Did you try the corrected one?
 
martinbn said:
It is! Did you try the corrected one?
No sorry. Everything is fine.
 
Just one more. I found somewhere that any matrix representation of finite group is unitary. Matrix
##\begin{bmatrix}
-5 & -6\\
4 & 5
\end{bmatrix} ##
however is not unitary.
 
LagrangeEuler said:
Just one more. I found somewhere that any matrix representation of finite group is unitary.
This statement means that it can be unitarized. In other words you can define an inner product such that the representation is unitary with respect to. But it doesn't say that it is unitary with respect to the standard inner product.
 
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