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Reproducing information as potential energy

  1. Jun 4, 2006 #1
    would someone like to consider information as a potential energy source, perhaps measureable. once information is reproduced its potential energy has risen. almost like it has a goal to achieve. given matter and information are inseperable, any energy source would contain information and effect its energy value once it is reproduced or understood. The whole reproduction of information traveling through space and time at every frame of reality relative to its speed/location. traveling in multiple forms, with a unique and universal ability of reproducing itself as it moves. perhaps transfer and reproduction of information is the ability of all things, not only life and the process of evolution. a degree of freedom, interactions of matter, with such ambitions to rule the universe. perhaps not.....lol..... information dominates technology, it forms are dna in a code, and perhaps can unlock alot of potential energy.

    ex.---------ensteins equation and the bombs in japan not only released energy in the explosions, but also in the nuclear arms race that followed. an unmeasured amount of energy released afterwards, directly caused by the transfer of information in energy, being its effect.

    :surprised
     
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  3. Jul 17, 2006 #2
    There is no potential energy source from the information itself other than the information itself. The information of say a light wave does not reproduce itself when moving but rather transfers itself. As for atomic bombs it was not the information that caused the energy but rather using the information to harness the energy that is already there.
     
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  4. Jul 19, 2006 #3
    quote: There is no potential energy source from the information itself other than the information itself.

    your contradicting yourself here.

    quote: The information of say a light wave does not reproduce itself when moving but rather transfers itself.

    same thing

    quote: As for atomic bombs it was not the information that caused the energy but rather using the information to harness the energy that is already there.

    you have a point here. but consider the paragraphs below.

    once the world saw the effect of the bombs on hiroshima and nagasaki, nations took notice and wanted to produce bombs themselves. what is the source of this harness of enegy that lead to a nuclear arms race that still exists today. this leads me to believe that origin or existance is relevant to energy

    lets say we were to inhabit another sun or solar system. I would like to think that our home sun was responsible for our energy source. now, were at a new sun consuming matter/energy. is our home sun responsible or the new one. I would say that we were organized and formed from our home sun, in other words life formed here,so the information/life/organized matter and ability to reproduce would be relevant to our home sun.

    now, lets take a sperm and egg and factor in einsteins equation. these tiny, very light matter, has the ability to reproduce. how could you measure their energy potential accurately. there dna code might exist longer than our home sun.

    id say e=mc squared is brilliant. it describes matter and energy all over the universe. it doesnt consider information, origin/existance and reproduction as a cause and effect, where a potential exists.

    all help is welcome
     
  5. Jul 19, 2006 #4

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    Information producing energy? Your discussion above has information as processed and acted on by humanity as producing energy - it causes conversion of energy into heat (unavailable energy) that way too; teach someone to drive and you have one more driver on the road using up stored fossil energy and producing thermally distributed heat.

    Let's consider a more basic level. Quantum mechanics says the components of the world, quanta, are defined by amplitudes which are represented in the mathematical formalism as equivalence classes of vectors with complex number components (could be more complicated linear objects too, but it doesn't change the argument). Now in certain situations - interactions with another quantum system - these complex amplitudes can be reduced to a set of real number vectors, with each vector coming with a probability (the vectors are called eigenstates and the probabilities are called eigenvalues), and just one of those vectors will be realized in actual spacetime. And these realized eigenstates are all there is.

    Now treating those complex amplitudes as really-existent things has problems and so some physicsts prefer to think of them as just information. If this is so, then THE WHOLE WORLD at a sufficiently deep (quantum) level is just information. Note that all energy comes from quantum interactions (including gravitic energy if the physicists are right and gravity is quantum underneath it all).
     
  6. Jul 19, 2006 #5

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    http://prola.aps.org/abstract/PRA/v63/i2/e022310

    According to one of the last lectures attended in college, useful information can do work. Random information cannot do work.
     
  7. Jul 19, 2006 #6
    I have a unique ability to not fully express my self. What I meant by this is simply that no new energy is being produced from the information. The only energy in the information is the information.

    And again with the light waves. What I meant is that the light is not acting as a source of energy because it is energy.
     
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