Reputation of Imperial College London in the US

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The discussion revolves around the recognition and reputation of Imperial College London (ICL) in the United States, particularly in the context of physics programs. Participants explore comparisons between ICL and top-tier US institutions, considerations for postgraduate studies, and cultural differences between studying in the UK and the US.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express uncertainty about ICL's visibility in the US, noting that while it is highly ranked internationally, it may not be well-known among the general public.
  • Others assert that ICL is recognized as a renowned institution by those familiar with international education.
  • Comparisons are made between ICL and US institutions such as MIT, Caltech, and Princeton, with varying opinions on how ICL ranks against these schools.
  • One participant mentions that the differences among top 15 schools can be minor, suggesting that specific programs should be compared instead of overall rankings.
  • Concerns are raised about the cultural differences between studying in the US and the UK, particularly regarding community culture and athletics at American universities.
  • Participants discuss the specific program of MSc Physics with Theoretical Physics at ICL and the implications of choosing between ICL and potential offers from US schools like Berkeley and Cornell.
  • There is a mention of the absence of general education requirements at ICL, which some participants view as a potential disadvantage.
  • One participant shares their personal experience at Berkeley, emphasizing the unique culture and activism present at the university.
  • Questions arise regarding the admission practices at Berkeley, particularly concerning in-state versus out-of-state students.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the type of degree being pursued, with a participant correcting a typo related to MSc versus MSci.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express differing views on the recognition of ICL in the US and the merits of studying at ICL versus US institutions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best choice for postgraduate studies, with no consensus on which institution is superior.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various rankings and personal experiences, but there are no definitive conclusions drawn about the relative merits of ICL compared to US institutions. The discussion includes subjective opinions and personal preferences that may influence decision-making.

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Is ICL well recognized in the United States for it's physics? Even though it's quite highly ranked internationally, I've heard some US residents tell me they've never heard of the school.
I'm in the middle of my undergrad choices right now and I'm unsure how to proceed.
(International btw)
 
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Certainly international schools will have a bit less visibility in the states but anyone who knows anything will know the ICL is a renowned school. If you get accepted then celebrate and good luck!
 
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Greg Bernhardt said:
Certainly international schools will have a bit less visibility in the states but anyone who knows anything will know the ICL is a renowned school. If you get accepted then celebrate and good luck!

In terms of quality, what school would be comparable to ICL in the United States?
I'm asking because I intend on doing my post graduate in the United States, hopefully at a top tier research university.
 
MIT, Caltech, Princeton.
 
For real?
 
HomogenousCow said:
For real?
Yes, it's generally regarded as the 3rd best school in the UK (just behind Oxford and Cambridge).
 
Almeisan said:
MIT, Caltech, Princeton.

Greg Bernhardt said:
Yes, it's generally regarded as the 3rd best school in the UK (just behind Oxford and Cambridge).

I'm aware of this, however I thought Imperial was a tier below the likes of MIT and Princeton.
 
HomogenousCow said:
I'm aware of this, however I thought Imperial was a tier below the likes of MIT and Princeton.
It's a top 15 school in the world. When you talk top 15, the lines get a bit blurred and the differences aren't usually that large. Then it's usually better to compare specific programs.
 
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Greg Bernhardt said:
It's a top 15 school in the world. When you talk top 15, the lines get a bit blurred and the differences aren't usually that large. Then it's usually better to compare specific programs.

The specific program I was accepted to recently was Msc Physics with Theoretical Physics at Imperial. I have a few more decisions coming up towards the end of the month like Berkeley and Cornell. My chances are far from certain for those schools, but I was wondering if I should take Berkeley over Imperial if I get in?
I would be much more comfortable living in the United States but I've heard that Imperial has a more detailed and focused physics program.
 
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I would visit Berkeley because yes the lifestyle differences are very large. London is great, but if I had to choose I'd go Berkeley because the weather is so much better. However international travel is much easier with London.
 
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HomogenousCow said:
The specific program I was accepted to recently was Msc Physics with Theoretical Physics at Imperial. I have a few more decisions coming up towards the end of the month like Berkeley and Cornell. My chances are far from certain for those schools, but I was wondering if I should take Berkeley over Imperial if I get in?
I would be much more comfortable living in the United States but I've heard that Imperial has a more detailed and focused physics program.
You can look into the course websites to compare. Keep in mind that there is no such a thing as general education at Imperial (Although that does not necessarily count as an advantage.)
Also, did you mean MSci or MSc ? because there are differences between the two.
 
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montadhar said:
You can look into the course websites to compare. Keep in mind that there is no such a thing as general education at Imperial (Although that does not necessarily count as an advantage.)
Also, did you mean MSci or MSc ? because there are differences between the two.

Yes, my mistake.
Greg Bernhardt said:
I would visit Berkeley because yes the lifestyle differences are very large. London is great, but if I had to choose I'd go Berkeley because the weather is so much better. However international travel is much easier with London.

Thing is I'm a little daunted by how American universities work. There seems to be a huge emphasis on community culture and athletics, both of which make me a little uncomfortable.
 
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HomogenousCow said:
Thing is I'm a little daunted by how American universities work. There seems to be a huge emphasis on community culture and athletics, both of which make me a little uncomfortable.
The culture of Berkeley is very unique and full of history. It's very liberal and full of activism. Not so much into athletics. The close proximity to San Fran is a huge plus. Fantastic area.
 
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Greg Bernhardt said:
The culture of Berkeley is very unique and full us history. It's very liberal and full of activism. Not so much into athletics. The close proximity to San Fran is a huge plus. Fantastic area.

Is it true that the school admits a large number of underqualified in-states? It's not a huge issue but I've heard that Berkeley attracts a certain type of in-state students.

As far as distance it really isn't an issue, I'll be thousands of miles from home either ways. However I have spent a lot of time in California and loved it there.
 
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I think you should go to the UK university, if only to be able to later tell people that you went to the Imperial College because you disagreed with how imperialistic the US has become.
Never pass an opportunity to mess with people's minds.
 
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I go to Berkeley, what difference would it make about what some in-states are doing? All you should focus on is yourself and your research. The UC schools were made for California residents, they let international students come to pay the out-of-state tuition. I don't understand how in the OP you state you are looking for undergrad choices, then you apply for MSc degree? Interesting.
 
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Maylis said:
I go to Berkeley, what difference would it make about what some in-states are doing? All you should focus on is yourself and your research. The UC schools were made for California residents, they let international students come to pay the out-of-state tuition. I don't understand how in the OP you state you are looking for undergrad choices, then you apply for MSc degree? Interesting.

Was a typo, suppose to be Msci. I'm sorry if that offended you, it was an untactful thing to say.
 
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