Research as a Career: What to Expect?

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The discussion revolves around the expectations and experiences related to pursuing a career in research, particularly in physics and astronomy. Participants share insights about the nature of research, its challenges, and the potential rewards, while also considering the variability in research styles across different fields.

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  • Some participants note that research is often a long and frustrating process, but can lead to enjoyable outcomes.
  • There is a perspective that research is unpredictable, with ideas potentially leading to no results or significant breakthroughs.
  • Participants emphasize that research varies greatly depending on the field and the management style of the research team.
  • One participant suggests that current research is more about building on existing ideas rather than making revolutionary discoveries.
  • Another viewpoint highlights that significant scientific advancements often result from collaborative efforts rather than individual contributions.
  • Some participants express that the process of research can be tedious, involving repetitive experiments to gather meaningful data.
  • There is a discussion about the satisfaction derived from understanding the broader implications of research, despite the potential monotony of individual tasks.
  • One participant mentions the importance of creativity in research and the allowance for unconventional approaches.

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Participants generally agree on the challenges and unpredictability of research, but there are multiple competing views regarding the nature of contributions to science and the potential for revolutionary discoveries. The discussion remains unresolved on several points, particularly regarding the balance between individual and collaborative efforts in scientific advancement.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference historical examples and literature to illustrate their points, but there is no consensus on the implications of these examples for current research practices.

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I'm a high school student and I've been an intern at a university for a couple of weeks. We do research and things like that in physics and astronomy. I've realized that research is something that takes a long time and is frustrating, but at the end result is usually enjoyable? Is this true? What else should be added? I'm asking this because I am considering a career in physics and research, but I don't know for sure how research would be like.
Thanks in advance
 
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The exciting thing about research is: no one knows. Your idea could produce no results or stellar results. One can usually get a feel for whether or not something will work, but not always. The thing is, when you learn about the history of science, everything seems like it happened so neatly and quickly. In reality, research is tedious, slow, and filled with false starts, and it's honestly not for everyone. That's not a bad thing. Just keep exploring and you'll learn if it's something you like or not.
 
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There is no one style of research. It depends on the field, and most importantly, the vision and management style of the people with whom you work.

In some fields like elementary neurobiology, good luck can also help a lot.
 
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atyy said:
There is no one style of research.

I don't quite understand what you mean. Could you please elaborate?
 
axmls said:
The exciting thing about research is: no one knows. Your idea could produce no results or stellar results. One can usually get a feel for whether or not something will work, but not always. The thing is, when you learn about the history of science, everything seems like it happened so neatly and quickly. In reality, research is tedious, slow, and filled with false starts, and it's honestly not for everyone. That's not a bad thing. Just keep exploring and you'll learn if it's something you like or not.

Yes that is true. It is a long and tedious process. And I'm assuming that with the knowledge of physics that we currently have, it is very unlikely to publish some paper that will "revolutionize" science. Research right now is more about building on ideas and improving them in my opinion.
 
Who knows? Maybe someone will come along and revolutionize science, but think about it: how many individuals have done that?

Newton
Einstein

Everyone else was working with others and building off of each other's work. Science is a team sport. Einsteins are rare, but you don't need to be an Einstein to contribute.
 
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Abtinnn said:
I don't quite understand what you mean. Could you please elaborate?

Maybe you can get a taste by reading some stories.

I've been reading https://www.amazon.com/dp/147670869X/?tag=pfamazon01-20, which includes an account of how the transistor was invented.

One of my favourites is the beautiful account in https://www.amazon.com/dp/0684835290/?tag=pfamazon01-20 of how the interstellar 21 cm line was first sighted. Yes, great research can be done in one's underwear. And some logician can make a joke here: )

Another interesting one is http://www.aps.org/publications/apsnews/201505/physicshistory.cfm about how cosmic radio waves were first observed.

nsaspook posted a link to the history behind the blue LED https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/the-2014-nobel-prize-in-physics.774618/page-4#post-4877831.

And bad management is sometimes needed for great advances http://nanoscale.blogspot.com/2015/05/people-you-shouldve-heard-about-john.html!
 
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axmls said:
Who knows? Maybe someone will come along and revolutionize science, but think about it: how many individuals have done that?

Newton
Einstein

Everyone else was working with others and building off of each other's work. Science is a team sport. Einsteins are rare, but you don't need to be an Einstein to contribute.

Yes, and revolutions can be a team sport too - the quantum revolution and the computer revolution were at least as revolutionary as classical mechanics or general relativity, but they were obtained by "teams". String theory too, I dare say.

Another very interesting revolution is Wilson's revolution, which in a sense is no revolution, since it changed no calculation, yet after it physicists say we understand quantum field theory.
 
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Thanks a lot guys. It helped so much :D
 
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I think you should be able to get satisfaction from the big picture you form in your mind. Often, you are doing repetitive experiments over and over to get one meaningful dataset to make inferences that are a puzzle of the bigger picture.

The experiments themselves can be boring on their own. If you don't care about where the boundary of scientific understanding is and if you don't get a special feeling about crossing it, then maybe you can do measurements in industry that are more exciting.

It is kind of like instant gratification vs the slow and subtle. It is a bit like atonal classical music that you need to force upon yourself before you get to like it.

The good things about science are that often times you get to think creatively, in a way, and this is encouraged. You are allowed to try out long shots.

You also can be doing completely different types of experiments, depending a bit on the field and your background. You may have to use approaches from very different fields, learn them, master them, carry then out many times to get the right data, or then abandon them altogether and move on.
 
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