Residue of exp[i.kx] / [ 1 - k^2 ]: Find Answer & Fix Mistake

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The discussion revolves around finding the residue of the function exp[i.kx] / [1 - k^2], where k is a complex variable and x is a positive constant. Participants explore the nature of the poles at k = 1 and k = -1, and the correct method for calculating residues in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the order of the pole at k = 1 and k = -1, questioning whether 1 - k^2 represents a pole of order 2.
  • Another participant suggests that the poles are of first order, referencing the behavior of the functions involved and providing a formula for calculating the residues at these poles.
  • There is a clarification regarding the definition of poles and zeros, with a focus on the correct interpretation of the function's behavior near the singularities.
  • A participant introduces a related integral involving k/(1 + k^2) and discusses the application of the residue theorem, noting discrepancies in results based on different contour choices.
  • Several participants discuss the method of multiplying by (k - 1)^2 and evaluating at the poles, with some suggesting alternative approaches to correctly find the residues.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct method for calculating the residues or the nature of the poles. Multiple competing views and interpretations of the residue theorem and pole orders remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the assumptions made about the order of poles and the methods for calculating residues. Participants express uncertainty about the application of the residue theorem in different contexts.

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Ive run into some residue problems, I can't seem to find a clear answer anywhere on this...

I need to find the residue of exp[i.kx] / [ 1 - k^2 ], where k is my complex variable, and x is positive.

I have poles at 1 and -1 in my integral. Now everywhere I look, a pole of order n is when one has say, in my case, ( 1 - k^2)^n...the n being outside the bracket. In what I have above, 1 - k^2, is this still of order 2?


Ive tried computing the residue but I can't get the correct answer, sin(x). My method is as follows:

multiply the above by (k - 1)^2, and then evaluate at k = 1, -1...what am I doing wrong here?
 
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Master J said:
I have poles at 1 and -1 in my integral. Now everywhere I look, a pole of order n is when one has say, in my case, ( 1 - k^2)^n...the n being outside the bracket. In what I have above, 1 - k^2, is this still of order 2?

I think it's a first oder pole. To be honest I don't really remember everything that goes on with Laurent series, but I do remember a simple set of rules that allows you to find residues. Do you know these rules?Well, 1 is a 0th order zero of:

p(k)= e^{ikx}

and a 1st order zero of

q(k)=1-k^2

Which means you have a 1st order pole and the residue at 1 is:

Res_1 = \frac{p(1)}{q'(1)} = \frac{-e^{ix}}{2}

The same reasoning should give you

Res_{-1} = \frac{p(-1)}{q'(-1)} = \frac{e^{-ix}}{2}

I hope I have used all the correct English terminology.

Master J said:
Ive tried computing the residue but I can't get the correct answer, sin(x).

Sin(x) is not "the residue", but rather the integral of your function divided by 2pi over any closed path in C containing both your singularities ( 1 and -1). It also is the sum of both your residues multiplies by i.

Master J said:
My method is as follows:

multiply the above by (k - 1)^2, and then evaluate at k = 1, -1...what am I doing wrong here?

I dunno, you tell me. Multiply the above what by (k - 1)^2?
 
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If f is a function analytic and non zero at p, then the residue of f/(z-p) at p is sort of obviously the value of f at p. (divide a power series expanded at p by (z-p) and ask yourself what the coefficient is of (z-p)^-1.) so in your case, you have f/(z^2-1), where f has no zeroes at all. since (1-z^2) has simple zeroes at 1 and -1, the quotient has simple poles at those points. so if you have, at 1 say, the analytic function e^(ixz)/(-1-z), divided by (z-1), ...is that enough?
 
Master J said:
Ive run into some residue problems, I can't seem to find a clear answer anywhere on this...

I need to find the residue of exp[i.kx] / [ 1 - k^2 ], where k is my complex variable, and x is positive.

I have poles at 1 and -1 in my integral. Now everywhere I look, a pole of order n is when one has say, in my case, ( 1 - k^2)^n
You didn't mean k^2 here did you? A pole of order n at k= a involves (a- k)^n in the denominator. At a= 1, that is (1- k) and at a= -1, (-1- k)^n= -(1+ k)^n if n is odd.

...the n being outside the bracket. In what I have above, 1 - k^2, is this still of order 2?
The important point is that 1- k^2= (1- k)(1+ k) so that at k= 1, it is 1- k that is what you want to look at and at k= 1, 1+ k. Each has power 1.


Ive tried computing the residue but I can't get the correct answer, sin(x). My method is as follows:

multiply the above by (k - 1)^2, and then evaluate at k = 1, -1...what am I doing wrong here?
Multiply by k- 1 and evaluate at k= 1, multiply by k+ 1 and evaluate at k= -1.
 
Hi all!

Just because,Master J, you mentioned you're using the residue thm in this case to evaluate an integral, here's an amusing question for you about an integral of a similar type:

First, x is still a non-negative number. We are interesting in the integral over all R of e^{ikx}k/(1+k^2), k being the integration variable. [NOTE: it's k/(1+k^2) instead of 1/(1-k^2)]. Now, obviously there are two 'loops' you can take to apply the residue thm, both surrounding a singularity at +/- i, respectively, with a semicircle (one in the upper, the other one in the lower half plane) and both close down by following the real axis. However, a simple computation of the residue shows they yield a different result for the integral.

So, what is the true value of the integral and why?

Remark: If you try viewing the integral as a Fourier transform of an L^1 function, the Riemann-Lebesgue lemma tells you that the transformed function has to be continuous and decaying at infinity, showing which 'loop' is the correct one! What's wrong with the other one?

PS: I myself had some headache two weeks ago while figuring out where the problem lies, but all in all, I found it helpful towards understanding
 
I think the problem, and solution, can be pretty well summarized as follows:

Master J said:
... multiply the above by (k - 1)^2, and then evaluate at k = 1, -1...what am I doing wrong here?

HallsofIvy said:
Multiply by k- 1 and evaluate at k= 1, multiply by k+ 1 and evaluate at k= -1.

That will get you the residue at k=1, as well as the residue at k=-1.
 

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