Resistors become insulators at some high temp.

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of resistors and their transition to insulating properties at high temperatures, exploring the temperature dependence of electrical resistance in conductors and insulators. Participants examine the implications of temperature on conductivity, particularly focusing on metallic conductors and semiconductors.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that every resistor should become an insulator at some very high temperature, questioning the upper limit of resistance.
  • Another participant counters that the premise is false, stating that semiconductors become more insulating as temperature decreases, not conductors.
  • It is noted that in metallic conductors, resistance tends to zero as temperature approaches absolute zero, but this is only true for idealized conductors.
  • A participant explains that in real metals, conductivity saturates at relatively high temperatures due to phonon scattering and other temperature-independent scattering processes.
  • There is a clarification that the original inquiry was about metallic conductors, not semiconductors, emphasizing the different behaviors of these materials with respect to temperature.
  • One participant asserts their expertise in condensed matter physics to support their argument regarding the temperature dependence of resistivity.
  • Another participant acknowledges the relationship between temperature and resistivity in conductors, indicating a shared interest in the inquiry despite differing views.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the initial premise about resistors becoming insulators at high temperatures. Multiple competing views are presented, particularly concerning the behavior of conductors versus semiconductors and the implications of temperature on resistance.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the definitions of conductors and insulators, as well as the specific conditions under which resistance changes with temperature. The discussion highlights the complexity of material behavior at varying temperatures without reaching a consensus.

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Every conductor or insulator becomes/is believed to become perfectly conducting at o kelvin

Similarly every resistor should also have some upper limit i.e. it should become insulator at some very high temperature?
Is it so?
Please explain...
 
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anonymoussome said:
Every conductor or insulator becomes/is believed to become perfectly conducting at o kelvin

No they don't! A semiconductor becomes more insulating as the temperature becomes lower. So your starting premise here is already false. This is one of the properties of a typical insulating material.

Zz.
 
ZapperZ said:
No they don't! A semiconductor becomes more insulating as the temperature becomes lower. So your starting premise here is already false. This is one of the properties of a typical insulating material.

Zz.

Although this is true of semiconductors, I believe the OP was referring to metallic conductors, not semiconductors. In a metallic conductor, the electrical resistance tends to zero as the temperature tends to absolute zero.

Conversely, the electrical resistance will typically increase in a conductor as the temperature increases.

[tex]R = \frac{L}{A} \cdot \rho_0( \alpha(T - T_0) + 1)[/tex]

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/solids/scond.html#c1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohm's_law

CS
 
stewartcs said:
Although this is true of semiconductors, I believe the OP was referring to metallic conductors, not semiconductors. In a metallic conductor, the electrical resistance tends to zero as the temperature tends to absolute zero.

But even that is only true for idealized conductors. In real metals the conductivity will saturate at relatively high temperatures, often tens of K. The reason is simply that it is only the phonon scattering that depends on the temperature, at low temperatures scattering against impurities, grain boundaries etc will start to dominate and these processes are essentially temperature independent and sets a limit for the conductivity.
 
f95toli said:
But even that is only true for idealized conductors. In real metals the conductivity will saturate at relatively high temperatures, often tens of K. The reason is simply that it is only the phonon scattering that depends on the temperature, at low temperatures scattering against impurities, grain boundaries etc will start to dominate and these processes are essentially temperature independent and sets a limit for the conductivity.

I know, that's why I said tends to zero and not is zero.

CS
 
stewartcs said:
Although this is true of semiconductors, I believe the OP was referring to metallic conductors, not semiconductors. In a metallic conductor, the electrical resistance tends to zero as the temperature tends to absolute zero.

Conversely, the electrical resistance will typically increase in a conductor as the temperature increases.

[tex]R = \frac{L}{A} \cdot \rho_0( \alpha(T - T_0) + 1)[/tex]

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/solids/scond.html#c1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohm's_law

CS

I'm not sure how this is relevant to what I said. Note the OP:

Every conductor or insulator becomes/is believed to become perfectly conducting at o kelvin

I wasn't addressing conductors. I was addressing insulators/semiconductors. That's why I said that whole premise is false. Insulators do not behave the same way as metals as far as temperature dependence goes.

BTW, I'm a condensed matter physicist, just so you know that I'm well aware of "Ohm's law" and temperature dependence of resistivity.

Zz.
 
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ZapperZ said:
I'm not sure how this is relevant to what I said. Note the OP:

I wasn't addressing conductors. I was addressing insulators/semiconductors. That's why I said that whole premise is false. Insulators do not behave the same way as metals as far as temperature dependence goes.

BTW, I'm a condensed matter physicist, just so you know that I'm well aware of "Ohm's law" and temperature dependence of resistivity.

Zz.

True, but I was merely point out to the OP, not to you of course, that there is indeed a relationship between temperature and resistivity amongst conductors as it seemed to be part of the inquiry.

CS
 

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