Thermodynamics of Resistive Heating at Low Power

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Discussion Overview

This discussion revolves around the thermodynamics of resistive heating at low power within a thermally sealed chamber. Participants explore whether a resistive wire can achieve high temperatures when powered at low wattage over extended periods, considering factors such as heat loss and thermal resistance.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the temperature in the chamber will build over time as the resistive element heats up, potentially reaching high temperatures despite low power input.
  • Others argue that heat loss is a limiting factor that will prevent the chamber from reaching high temperatures, emphasizing that steady state is achieved when heat lost equals heat input.
  • It is noted that the chamber can never exceed the temperature of the heating element, and that a higher power element requires a larger surface area to radiate heat effectively.
  • Some participants discuss the implications of changing resistance with temperature, particularly for materials like Nichrome, which may affect heat output as the temperature rises.
  • There is mention of the concept of a 'thermal battery' for storing heat, with considerations on the practicality of different materials for heat storage.
  • Participants express uncertainty about whether the scenario discussed is theoretical or applicable to real-world situations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus; multiple competing views remain regarding the feasibility of achieving high temperatures at low power and the implications of thermal resistance and heat loss.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various assumptions, such as the effectiveness of insulation, the characteristics of different heating elements, and the practical limitations of heat storage materials. There are unresolved questions about the real-world applicability of the discussed scenarios.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those exploring thermodynamics, resistive heating applications, thermal energy storage concepts, and the practical implications of heating element design.

  • #31
Bucket o' Magma. I wonder how much a paint-can sized Dewar would cost.

A ~9cm dia opening should radiate 1kw @ 1,000C
 
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  • #32
hmmm27 said:
Bucket o' Magma. I wonder how much a paint-can sized Dewar would cost.

A ~9cm dia opening should radiate 1kw @ 1,000C
Of course there would have to be some sort of safety screen covering the opening just like in a resistive element space heater. Good idea about the Dewar.
 
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  • #33
Baluncore said:
To radiate 10 times the heat, will require 10 times the area, or 10 times the temperature difference, or a blend of those two. The product of element area by temperature difference will be proportional to the power.
The power radiated goes like T to the fourth power, T being.the absolute temperature. To me, this implies that you need to multiply the delta T (between the wire and its environment) by only the quartic root of 10 if you want to x10 the power emitted, i.e. 1.78, roughly. What am I missing?
 
  • #34
fluidistic said:
What am I missing?
I don't know.
I think you are assuming black body radiation from the element. But some energy radiated from the element to the sand would be reflected back to the element.
I was assuming the thermal resistance of the layer of sand that surrounds the heating element would limit heat transfer to the sand.
 

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